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Ethiopia - Fear and Cries of Army Brutality in Ogaden - NYT
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Ethiopia - In Ethiopian Desert, Fear and Cries of Army Brutality
By JEFFREY GETTLEMAN
The New York Times
Published: June 18, 2007
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IN THE OGADEN DESERT, Ethiopia — The rebels march 300 strong across the crunchy earth, young men with dreadlocks and AK-47s slung over their shoulders.
Often when they pass through a village, the entire village lines up, one sunken cheekbone to the next, to squint at them.
“May God bring you victory,” one woman whispered.
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This is the Ogaden, a spindle-legged corner of Ethiopia that the urbane officials in Addis Ababa, the capital, would rather outsiders never see. It is the epicenter of a separatist war pitting impoverished nomads against one of the biggest armies in Africa.
What goes on here seems to be starkly different from the carefully constructed up-and-coming image that Ethiopia — a country that the United States increasingly relies on to fight militant Islam in the Horn of Africa — tries to project.
In village after village, people said they had been brutalized by government troops. They described a widespread and longstanding reign of terror, with Ethiopian soldiers gang-raping women, burning down huts and killing civilians at will.
ONLF rebels. Video image by Courtenay Morris for The New York Times
It is the same military that the American government helps train and equip — and provides with prized intelligence. The two nations have been allies for years, but recently they have grown especially close, teaming up last winter to oust an Islamic movement that controlled much of Somalia and rid the region of a potential terrorist threat.
The Bush administration, particularly the military, considers Ethiopia its best bet in the volatile Horn — which, with Sudan, Somalia and Eritrea, is fast becoming intensely violent, virulently anti-American and an incubator for terrorism.
But an emerging concern for American officials is the way that the Ethiopian military operates inside its own borders, especially in war zones like the Ogaden.
Anab, a 40-year-old camel herder who was too frightened, like many others, to give her last name, said soldiers took her to a police station, put her in a cell and twisted her nipples with pliers. She said government security forces routinely rounded up young women under the pretext that they were rebel supporters so they could bring them to jail and rape them.
“Me, I am old,” she said, “but they raped me, too.”
“Me, I am old,” she said, “but they raped me, too.”
Moualin, a rheumy-eyed elder, said Ethiopian troops stormed his village, Sasabene, in January looking for rebels and burned much of it down. “They hit us in the face with the hardest part of their guns,” he said.
The villagers said the abuses had intensified since April, when the rebels attacked a Chinese-run oil field, killing nine Chinese workers and more than 60 Ethiopian soldiers and employees. The Ethiopian government has vowed to crush the rebels but rejects all claims that it abuses civilians.
“Our soldiers are not allowed to do these kinds of things,” said Nur Abdi Mohammed, a government spokesman. “This is only propaganda and cannot be justified. If a government soldier did this type of thing they would be brought before the courts.”
Even so, the State Department, the European Parliament and many human rights groups, mostly outside Ethiopia, have cited thousands of cases of torture, arbitrary detention and extrajudicial killings — enough to raise questions in Congress about American support of the Ethiopian government.
“This is a country that is abusing its own people and has no respect for democracy,” Donald M. Payne (D-NJ)
“This is a country that is abusing its own people and has no respect for democracy,” said Representative Donald M. Payne, Democrat of New Jersey and chairman of the House Foreign Affairs subcommittee on Africa and global health.
ONLF (Photo Ogaden.com)
“We’ve not only looked the other way but we’ve pushed them to intrude in other sovereign nations,” he added, referring to the satellite images and other strategic help the American military gave Ethiopia in December, when thousands of Ethiopian troops poured into Somalia and overthrew the Islamist leadership.
According to Georgette Gagnon, deputy director for the Africa division of Human Rights Watch, Ethiopia is one of the most repressive countries in Africa.
“What the Ethiopian security forces are doing,” she said, “may amount to crimes against humanity.” Human Rights Watch
“What the Ethiopian security forces are doing,” she said, “may amount to crimes against humanity.”
Human Rights Watch issued a report in 2005 that documented a rampage by government troops against members of the Anuak, a minority tribe in western Ethiopia, in which soldiers ransacked homes, beat villagers to death with iron bars and in one case, according to a witness, tied up a prisoner and ran over him with a military truck.
After the report came out, the researcher who wrote it was banned by the Ethiopian government from returning to the country. Similarly, three New York Times journalists who visited the Ogaden to cover this story were imprisoned for five days and had all their equipment confiscated before being released without charges.
Ethiopia’s Tiananmen Square
In many ways, Ethiopia has a lot going for it these days: new buildings, new roads, low crime and a booming trade in cut flowers and coffee. It is the second most populous country in sub-Saharan Africa, behind Nigeria, with 77 million people.
Its leaders, many whom were once rebels themselves, from a neglected patch of northern Ethiopia, are widely known as some of the savviest officials on the continent. They had promised to let some air into a very stultified political system during the national elections of 2005, which were billed as a milestone on the road to democracy.
Instead, they turned into Ethiopia’s version of Tiananmen Square. With the opposition poised to win a record number of seats in Parliament, the government cracked down brutally, opening fire on demonstrators, rounding up tens of thousands of opposition supporters and students and leveling charges of treason and even attempted to kill top opposition leaders, including the man elected mayor of Addis Ababa.
Many opposition members are now in jail or in exile. The rest seem demoralized.
“There are no real steps toward democracy,” said Merera Gudina
“There are no real steps toward democracy,” said Merera Gudina, vice president of the United Ethiopian Democratic Forces, a leading opposition party. “No real steps toward opening up space, no real steps toward ending repression.”
“This country [Ethiopia] has never been easy to rule.”
High-ranking Ethiopian official
Ethiopian officials have routinely dismissed such complaints, accusing political protesters of stoking civil unrest and poking their finger into a well-known sore spot. Ethiopia has always had an authoritarian streak. This is a country, after all, where until the 1970s rulers claimed to be direct descendants of King Solomon. It is big, poor, famine-stricken, about half-Christian and half-Muslim, surrounded by hostile enemies and full of heavily armed separatist factions. As one high-ranking Ethiopian official put it, “This country has never been easy to rule.”
That has certainly been true for the Ogaden desert, a huge, dagger-shaped chunk of territory between the highlands of Ethiopia and the border of Somalia. The people here are mostly ethnic Somalis, and they have been chafing against Ethiopian rule since 1897, when the British ceded their claims to the area.
The colonial officials did not think the Ogaden was worth much. They saw thorny hills and thirsty people. Even today, it is still like that. What passes for a town is a huddle of bubble-shaped huts, the movable homes of camel-thwacking nomads who somehow survive out here. For roads, picture Tonka truck tracks running through a sandbox. The primary elements in this world are skin and bone and sun and rock. And guns. Loads of them.
Camel herders carry rifles to protect their animals. Young women carry pistols to protect their bodies. And then there is the Ogaden National Liberation Front, the machine-gun-toting rebels fighting for control of this desiccated wasteland.
Rebels Live Off the Land
Lion. Radio. Fearless. Peacock. Most of the men have nicknames that conceal their real identities. Peacock, who spoke some English, served as a guide. He shared the bitter little plums the soldiers pick from thorn bushes — “Ogaden chocolate,” he called them. He showed the way to gently skim water from the top of a mud puddle to minimize the amount of dirt that ends up in your stomach — even in the rainy season this is all there is to drink.
He pointed out the anthills, the coming storm clouds, the especially ruthless thorn trees and even a graveyard that stood incongruously in the middle of the desert. The graves — crude pyramids of stones — were from the war in 1977-78, when Somalia tried, disastrously, to pry the Ogaden out of Ethiopia’s hands and lost thousands of men. “It’s up to us now,” Peacock said.
Peacock was typical of the rebels. He was driven by anger. He said Ethiopian soldiers hanged his mother, raped his sister and beat his father. “I know, it’s hard to believe,” he said. “But it’s true.”
He had the hunch of a broken man and a voice that seemed far too tired for his 28 years. “It’s not that I like living in the bush,” he said. “But I have nowhere else to go.”
The armed resistance began in 1994, after the Ogaden National Liberation Front, then a political organization, broached the idea of splitting off from Ethiopia. The central government responded by imprisoning Ogadeni leaders, and according to academics and human rights groups, assassinating others. The Ogaden is part of the Somali National Regional State, one of nine ethnic-based states within Ethiopia’s unusual ethnic-based federal system. On paper, all states have the right to secede, if they follow the proper procedures. But it seemed that the government feared that if the Somalis broke away, so too would the Oromos, the Afar and many other ethnic groups pining for a country of their own.
The Ethiopian government calls the Ogaden rebels terrorists and says they are armed and trained by Eritrea, Ethiopia’s neighbor and bitter enemy. One of the reasons Ethiopia decided to invade Somalia was to prevent the rebels from using it as a base.
The government blames them for a string of recent bombings and assassinations and says they often single out rival clan members. Ethiopian officials have been pressuring the State Department to add the Ogaden National Liberation Front to its list of designated foreign terrorist organizations. Until recently, American officials refused, saying the rebels had not threatened civilians or American interests.
“But after the oil field attack in April,” said one American official who spoke on the condition of anonymity, “we are reassessing that.”
American policy toward Ethiopia seems to be in flux. Administration officials are trying to increase the amount of nonhumanitarian aid to Ethiopia to $481 million next year, from $284 million this year. But key Democrats in Congress, including Mr. Payne, are questioning this, saying that because of Ethiopia’s human rights record, it is time to stop writing the country a blank check.
In April, European Commission officials began investigating Ethiopia for war crimes in connection to hundreds of Somali civilians killed by Ethiopian troops during heavy fighting in Mogadishu, Somalia’s capital.
Women Are Suffering the Most
In the Ogaden, it is not clear how many people are dying. The vast area is essentially a no-go zone for most human rights workers and journalists and where the Ethiopian military, by its own admission, is waging an intense counterinsurgency campaign.
The violence has been particularly acute against women, villagers said, and many have recently fled.
Asma, 19, who now lives in neighboring Somaliland, said she was stuck in an underground cell for more than six months last year, raped and tortured. “They beat me on the feet and breasts,” she said. She was freed only after her father paid the soldiers ransom, she said, though she did not know how much.
Ambaro, 25, now living in Addis Ababa, said she was gang-raped by five Ethiopian soldiers in January near the town of Fik. She said troops came to her village every night to pluck another young woman.
“I’m in pain now, all over my body,” she said. “ I’m worried that I’ll become crazy because of what happened.”
Many Ogaden villagers said that when they tried to bring up abuses with clan chiefs or local authorities, they were told it was better to keep quiet.
The rebels said thats was precisely why they attacked the Chinese oil field: to get publicity for their cause and the plight of their region (and to discourage foreign companies from exploiting local resources). According to them, they strike freely in the Ogaden all the time, ambushing military convoys and raiding police stations.
Mr. Mohammed, the government spokesman, denied that, saying the rebels “will not confront Ethiopian military forces because they are not well trained.”
Expert or not, they are determined. They march for hours powered by a few handfuls of rice. They travel extremely light, carrying only their guns, two clips of bullets, a grenade and a tarp. They brag about how many Ethiopians they have killed, and every piece of their camouflage, they say, is pulled off dead soldiers. They joke about slaughtering Ethiopian troops the same way they slaughter goats.
Their morale seems high, especially for men who sleep in the dirt every night. Their throats are constantly dry, but they like to sing.
“A camel is delivering a baby today and the milk of the camel is coming,” goes one campfire song. “Who is the owner of this land?”
Will Connors contributed reporting from Addis Ababa, Ethiopia.
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125 comments
Comment from: Boxoo [Visitor]
Ya a!!!
Thank you NY Times for giving such a great attention and coming out with these story. It is a great assistance to the strugle for freedom and democracy in the country. Great story. Very factual.
DOWN WITH THE WOYANE!!!!!
Boxoo
Thank you NY Times for giving such a great attention and coming out with these story. It is a great assistance to the strugle for freedom and democracy in the country. Great story. Very factual.
DOWN WITH THE WOYANE!!!!!
Boxoo
06/18/07 @ 00:19
Comment from: zerish [Visitor]
I'm not WOYANES fan, but I respect their action againist enemy of development of Ethiopia like ONLF. Ethiopia should take more serious action againist this idiot rebels.
06/18/07 @ 00:42
Comment from: ashenafi1 [Visitor]
ONLF is trying to spin propoganda and get
an international attenion. Ogaden is and
will always be an Ethiopian, come what may.
an international attenion. Ogaden is and
will always be an Ethiopian, come what may.
06/18/07 @ 00:51
Comment from: Tewodros salsawi [Visitor]
Where ever there is oil in Africa. It is expected from western media to instigate ethnic conflicts.
If there is oil somewhere they have to control it. Otherwise they will destroy you with their weapon(media not nuclear).
The media is the strongest weapon these days. Now that China is involved in the utilization of the oil in Ogaden the west are going to do their best to creat some chaos arround there. The easiest way to do that is to disseminate these kind of stories on this article.
Ethiopians should be wise on handling this case. These people are the incarnation of the devil. They have all the means and the heart to do evil things. Where ever there is precious natural resource there is such kinds of stories on first pages of media of the west.
I pray to god so that the rule of evile ends in the world.
How long shall we bow to these spawns of devil?
If there is oil somewhere they have to control it. Otherwise they will destroy you with their weapon(media not nuclear).
The media is the strongest weapon these days. Now that China is involved in the utilization of the oil in Ogaden the west are going to do their best to creat some chaos arround there. The easiest way to do that is to disseminate these kind of stories on this article.
Ethiopians should be wise on handling this case. These people are the incarnation of the devil. They have all the means and the heart to do evil things. Where ever there is precious natural resource there is such kinds of stories on first pages of media of the west.
I pray to god so that the rule of evile ends in the world.
How long shall we bow to these spawns of devil?
06/18/07 @ 00:57
Comment from: fish [Visitor]
Zerish It is good at list now you understad being or called WOYANE is a shame because of what they are doing and thinking.Since you support their did you are primitive too like them and you have to be ashamed.
06/18/07 @ 00:59
Comment from: Abdul [Visitor]
zerish;
What Develepment are you talking about! Raping and killing innocent people, is that what you call development.
This region has ONE HIGH SCHOOL, forget about hospitals.
The TPLF led regime is the worst. never in Ethiopain history we seen RAPE. Even during Mingestu if soldier commits any crime there was consequence. But the current regime promotes any soldier who kills and rapes innocent peopl.
I am from there and I know what is happening there.
Thanks to NY Times Journalist, even though Meles soldieres prisoned them and confiscated their equipment they were able to send some clips from ogaden heartland.
Regards
Abdul
What Develepment are you talking about! Raping and killing innocent people, is that what you call development.
This region has ONE HIGH SCHOOL, forget about hospitals.
The TPLF led regime is the worst. never in Ethiopain history we seen RAPE. Even during Mingestu if soldier commits any crime there was consequence. But the current regime promotes any soldier who kills and rapes innocent peopl.
I am from there and I know what is happening there.
Thanks to NY Times Journalist, even though Meles soldieres prisoned them and confiscated their equipment they were able to send some clips from ogaden heartland.
Regards
Abdul
06/18/07 @ 01:03
Comment from: Tamrat [Visitor]
Remember our struggle against derg. We
were so desperate we allied with
'evry thing' against derg by the so called
policy of the the enemy of my enemy is
my friend. Look what brought to us. We
worked hand in hand with eplf and eprdg.
No more arm struggle! War between brothers
must be stopped for once and for all in ethiopia. the peacefull struggle which is
bringing a tremendous change in ethiopia
will continue. And the defense force will
take care of eplf and its allies.
those who dont see the change eprdf
made on its policy slowly but surely are
ignoring the sacrifice the Ethiopian people
have done through out the last 16 years.
Remember we eprdf wanted to unite the
Ethiopian arilinse with the eritrean
while they even dont have a single airplane.
And we used to boycott melotti and eprdf
used to sell meloti by putting bedelle
trade mark on meloti. But now eprdf is
fighting against isayas to keep the ethiopian interest. this is the result
of our heros sacrifice. and they didnt
take arm, olny peacefull democracy struggele.
(melles landed a jet in asmara to pick
isayas up on the way to ny un meeting)
ONLF is working under the command of
eplf so it must be counter attacked and
eliminated as soon as possible.
Peace full struggle for democracy.
06/18/07 @ 01:20
Comment from: Gondar [Visitor]
Tewodros salsawi:
Good Job Man now I smell your real Ethiopian position!!!
O= Observationally
G= Guarded
A= And
D= Diversified
E= Ethiopian
N= Nature
ogaden is ours!!!
06/18/07 @ 01:23
Comment from: Atse Kaleb [Visitor]
Armed struggle againt a government which
basiclly has a PHD in gurrela warfare
is near impossible to defeat .
Ogadeans are Ethiopinans if they are
suffering and the government is not
doing much about it,it should be up to
us other Ethiopian to help get their cause
heard more,try to help them finacialy
to devolupe their region for is'nt that
what unity is.Concering the rapes and
torture it is hard to say weather is
true or false .the ethiopian army is
highly decipled evidencec of this is
shown in the war with ertrea but even
the worlds powerful milatary are guilty
of crime such as theses.But then again
theses sort of problem of sepreation
that ethiopia continues to face by some
states has it roots in the past as
ethiopian rulers have always tried to
excerise a one religon,one culture ,
sort of policy and in the process commited
atrocities agaist certain ethinic groups
and religons.Ethiopian we generaly only
mention the good things of the past but
hide the bad in our hearts,we speak of
Atse Yohannes dedication to the Orthodox
church and of his bravery yet hide the
hatred he had for muslims ,we speak of
Atse Mililk of the conqure of and the
maker of modern day ethiopia but hide
the the suffering of the oromos, the
Eritean who were seperated from their
country and given to the Italians which
latter they fought against the ethiopian
rulers claiming that they do not wont
to be part of the empire.we all speak
of unity but true unity dose not come
by force what we saw in the war in Tigray
Afar,Eritrea and oromia is the years
of suffering and neglect.this problem
can be solved by aknowleging the suffering
of theses people and respecting their
culture and religion if
Ethiopia is to grow and prosper have
true unity .
06/18/07 @ 01:25
Comment from: ashenafi1 [Visitor]
the real real issue about ogaden is oil,
everything else is smokescreen. ONLF is gunning for the oil so is the ethiopian government. ONLF doesn't want any development t to take place in ogaden, so they can justify their struggle for independce from ethiopia. it's all about petro-dollars!!!
everything else is smokescreen. ONLF is gunning for the oil so is the ethiopian government. ONLF doesn't want any development t to take place in ogaden, so they can justify their struggle for independce from ethiopia. it's all about petro-dollars!!!
06/18/07 @ 01:26
Comment from: Ra'Oeil ራዕይ [Member] 
The establishment of a genuine democratic system is the ONLY viable option that can effectively solve this and other numerous problems afflicting our country.
The alternative is a doomsday scenario.
The saddest part is that Ethiopia’s TPLF/EPRDF leaders seem to think that there is an alternative to Unity in Diversity.
The separatist option they hold dear is the undoing of a whole continent and its complete and permanent subordination.
Ra
The alternative is a doomsday scenario.
The saddest part is that Ethiopia’s TPLF/EPRDF leaders seem to think that there is an alternative to Unity in Diversity.
The separatist option they hold dear is the undoing of a whole continent and its complete and permanent subordination.
Ra
06/18/07 @ 01:38
Comment from: Aschenaki [Visitor]
No Ethiopian should take pleasure from this story regardless of your political platform. This article is a major propaganda coup for the terrorist ONLF to get their story published on the front page of The New York times.
I have not learned anything new from this story. The report is full of hearsay and just what the witnesses said. This young NYT reporter did not have any concrete evidence to support the rape and torture allegations. It is just rumor and all he is reporting is what ONLF is telling him. Just because NYT publishes does not mean it is true, if you don’t believe me ask Judy Miller and Jason Blair.
I am a nationalist Ethiopian who strongly believes in the territorial integrity of Ethiopia and someone who will never ever forgive Woyane for making Ethiopia a land locked country. Despite the hatred I have towards the TPLF regime, I am 100% with them to destroy these Islamic terrorists, especially since they killed the oil workers; I have no mercy for these tugs.
Those who are against Woyane, be careful of what you wish for. Can you imagine the worst case scenario where Woyane were to collapse with no strong party to take over and with all these so called liberation fronts, what the future of our country will be like? It will be the end of a Strong united Ethiopia. Don’t ever forget that Woyane is in power not because they fought their way to Addis, but Hodam people hated Menge more than they hated Woyane and did not have the will power to fight Woyane. And the rest is history. Who knew that there could be a government worst than Derg and here we are with Woyane who gave away our access to the sea.
As bad as Woyane is, I want nothing but a Strong united Ethiopia and do not want a sudden collapse of the Woyane regime with out a viable party to take over. Whether you like it or not, we do not have a viable party to take over at this time.
Our Flag and Country should come first before CUD, EPRDF or whatever. I am first and foremost Ethiopian and will support any government who will destroy our enemy i.e OLF, ONLF, Eritrea and so on. But I know TPLF will not destroy Eritrea until these two ugly Eritreans Meles and Bereket Simon get hanged. Pray for Ethiopia people, don't make me see my country being like Somalia in my lifetime.
Woyane, Kill These Bastard Ogaden Shiftas. If they don't want to be in Ethiopia, they can move to Somalia and join their brothers and sisters there. Menelik should have baptized these bastards and we wouldn't have this problem now.
I have not learned anything new from this story. The report is full of hearsay and just what the witnesses said. This young NYT reporter did not have any concrete evidence to support the rape and torture allegations. It is just rumor and all he is reporting is what ONLF is telling him. Just because NYT publishes does not mean it is true, if you don’t believe me ask Judy Miller and Jason Blair.
I am a nationalist Ethiopian who strongly believes in the territorial integrity of Ethiopia and someone who will never ever forgive Woyane for making Ethiopia a land locked country. Despite the hatred I have towards the TPLF regime, I am 100% with them to destroy these Islamic terrorists, especially since they killed the oil workers; I have no mercy for these tugs.
Those who are against Woyane, be careful of what you wish for. Can you imagine the worst case scenario where Woyane were to collapse with no strong party to take over and with all these so called liberation fronts, what the future of our country will be like? It will be the end of a Strong united Ethiopia. Don’t ever forget that Woyane is in power not because they fought their way to Addis, but Hodam people hated Menge more than they hated Woyane and did not have the will power to fight Woyane. And the rest is history. Who knew that there could be a government worst than Derg and here we are with Woyane who gave away our access to the sea.
As bad as Woyane is, I want nothing but a Strong united Ethiopia and do not want a sudden collapse of the Woyane regime with out a viable party to take over. Whether you like it or not, we do not have a viable party to take over at this time.
Our Flag and Country should come first before CUD, EPRDF or whatever. I am first and foremost Ethiopian and will support any government who will destroy our enemy i.e OLF, ONLF, Eritrea and so on. But I know TPLF will not destroy Eritrea until these two ugly Eritreans Meles and Bereket Simon get hanged. Pray for Ethiopia people, don't make me see my country being like Somalia in my lifetime.
Woyane, Kill These Bastard Ogaden Shiftas. If they don't want to be in Ethiopia, they can move to Somalia and join their brothers and sisters there. Menelik should have baptized these bastards and we wouldn't have this problem now.
06/18/07 @ 01:42
Comment from: selamna meregagat [Visitor]
In many ways, Ethiopia has a lot going for it these days: new buildings, new roads, low crime and a booming trade in cut flowers and coffee. It is the second most populous country in sub-Saharan Africa, behind Nigeria, with 77 million people.
the society is illitrate. the top officials are trying to do the best but thoes at the ottom of the ladder seem inefficient.
if anybody thinks meles sends thoes people or his soldiers to rape, you got to be kidding me.
and onlf is asked to negotiate its demand in the proper way.
i am saddened for everything that happened. it is an outcome of stupidity in all direction and if ogadenia fighters did not cause all this hoopla( cutting necks), the government troops would have most probably never acted as such.
i think meles can properly address such flaws in the military and straighten up things.
seccesion must be illegal.
the kinijit stupids should be released.
the society is illitrate. the top officials are trying to do the best but thoes at the ottom of the ladder seem inefficient.
if anybody thinks meles sends thoes people or his soldiers to rape, you got to be kidding me.
and onlf is asked to negotiate its demand in the proper way.
i am saddened for everything that happened. it is an outcome of stupidity in all direction and if ogadenia fighters did not cause all this hoopla( cutting necks), the government troops would have most probably never acted as such.
i think meles can properly address such flaws in the military and straighten up things.
seccesion must be illegal.
the kinijit stupids should be released.
06/18/07 @ 01:46
Comment from: Tesfaye Gabesa [Visitor]
What an indictment! Let me be ahead of time and spell what Berket will say, “This is completely untrue, there is no ONLF, but a bunch of unemployed people trying to stop a rapid development occurring in that region!
06/18/07 @ 01:52
Comment from: Aschenaki [Visitor]
Woyane needs the Ethiopian people behind it more than ever and reconciliation is possible.
1. Release all political prisoners immediately with out any conditions whatsoever.
2. Opposition members also should negotiate and perhaps join the parliament and learn give and take and not “my way or the highway” attitude. Politics is all about negotiations
3. Get Assab back by Any Means Necessary. There shall be No peace with Eritrea as long as Assab is occupied and Woyane has to Undo its mistake by forcefully taking over Assab.
4. If Meles Zenawi can not do #3 as he was not willing to do when he won the war in 2000, then someone within TPLF should remove Meles from power and do job #3
5. Fair and Free election for 2010 and Woyane should respect the will of the people and pass on power to the elected . With Amhara and Oromo being 75% of the Ethiopian population, Woyane has no shot at winning the election, so they ought to be happy to represent Tigray at Parlama and all the local administration stuff in Tigray. Or start having kids now and in 18 years, you may increase your population number, there is nothing you can do about that. You are minority and you will be protected but majority has to rule. But then again, democracy for Woyane is like shooting itself on its feet. Man, our country is fucked up.
1. Release all political prisoners immediately with out any conditions whatsoever.
2. Opposition members also should negotiate and perhaps join the parliament and learn give and take and not “my way or the highway” attitude. Politics is all about negotiations
3. Get Assab back by Any Means Necessary. There shall be No peace with Eritrea as long as Assab is occupied and Woyane has to Undo its mistake by forcefully taking over Assab.
4. If Meles Zenawi can not do #3 as he was not willing to do when he won the war in 2000, then someone within TPLF should remove Meles from power and do job #3
5. Fair and Free election for 2010 and Woyane should respect the will of the people and pass on power to the elected . With Amhara and Oromo being 75% of the Ethiopian population, Woyane has no shot at winning the election, so they ought to be happy to represent Tigray at Parlama and all the local administration stuff in Tigray. Or start having kids now and in 18 years, you may increase your population number, there is nothing you can do about that. You are minority and you will be protected but majority has to rule. But then again, democracy for Woyane is like shooting itself on its feet. Man, our country is fucked up.
06/18/07 @ 02:09
Comment from: Gondar [Visitor]
All are missed information Our soldiers they are disciplined. All every ten members/soldiers they have monitor, To be an Ethiopian Solider it has challenger workout and disciplined program but This all trash information is just to ruined their moral and their good work. what ever you said They will not stop protecting our territory.
You will see soon man our soldiers with fundamental military equipments and strategy!!!
Go for ward we are with you.
If We get the chance one heart and one mind like Great Israel we will shake you coast to coast layneh edme ant leba hulu.
You all jealous stop leaving your crap irrelevant peace of information
Who is she that raped by Our soldiers now living in Addis Ababa??
You will see soon man our soldiers with fundamental military equipments and strategy!!!
Go for ward we are with you.
If We get the chance one heart and one mind like Great Israel we will shake you coast to coast layneh edme ant leba hulu.
You all jealous stop leaving your crap irrelevant peace of information
Who is she that raped by Our soldiers now living in Addis Ababa??
06/18/07 @ 02:12
Comment from: RESPONSE TO Aschenaki [Visitor [Visitor]
You nothing, but a narrow-minded naftagna... we cannot talk about what happened in Meskel-Square, and turn blind-eye on what is happenining in Ogadenia.. we need to comeover this narrow-minded hatracy based politics planed by those rogue politicians that never care about the wellbeing, adn the welfare of the people that inhabits in ethiopia regardless of thier ethnicity...So instead of getting moved whenever you heard that Ogadenis want SELF-DETEMINATION, you need to walk thru thier shoes.. these people never saw anything good from Ethiopia, all they got from them from the day thay BRITISH handed over to Ethiopipa, is destruction, killing, rapping, anything cruell against humanity, so dont expect these people to love thier oppressor, the one that rape, and killed thier sisters, please try to be rational, and objective
06/18/07 @ 02:30
Comment from: safu [Visitor]
Response to RESPONSE TO Aschenaki,
The same is happening and has happened in all over southern Ethiopia so should we all go to war to destroy our country? i sympathise with your suffering and we should reject violence and work by supporting and highlighting all the issues to change once and for all. we should stope the old stereotypes that this ethnic group is so and so, but work for our common good. I am sure you will agree that allways the past is better than future. for certain reasons, we have not seen good from the so called changes be it it came through blood and bulet or otherwise. we need to cherish what is in us than rented ideologies and practices.
Peace
The same is happening and has happened in all over southern Ethiopia so should we all go to war to destroy our country? i sympathise with your suffering and we should reject violence and work by supporting and highlighting all the issues to change once and for all. we should stope the old stereotypes that this ethnic group is so and so, but work for our common good. I am sure you will agree that allways the past is better than future. for certain reasons, we have not seen good from the so called changes be it it came through blood and bulet or otherwise. we need to cherish what is in us than rented ideologies and practices.
Peace
06/18/07 @ 03:08
Comment from: almayehu yazew [Visitor]
Please Ogaden is belongs to Ethiopia
if the govt.
Respect them as human beng and if they ´
have right like the EPDRF memmbers other
wise it is to be Ethiopian if they donot have
rigt to speak and write.
God bless ETHIOPIA
06/18/07 @ 04:01
Comment from: GOYA [Visitor]
Woyane gangs should stop killing, raping
and prison all Ethiopians .Ethiopians
must support and join ONLF solders and all other
freedom fighters. there is no
peaceful struggle with woyane after this.the only and only solution is arm struggle for that we have to come and stand together.
06/18/07 @ 04:10
Comment from: Wozeiro Condjo [Visitor]
my people....my people...my people..
here we come...Today is Ogaden ... tomorrow is Harargue...
Never again we will be colonized by the abissinians.
I can see victory on the horizon...
here we come...Today is Ogaden ... tomorrow is Harargue...
Never again we will be colonized by the abissinians.
I can see victory on the horizon...
06/18/07 @ 05:23
Comment from: M.T. [Visitor]
" This region has ONE HIGH SCHOOL, forget about hospitals. ......."
Abdul
This is a white lie.
I absolutely take the opinion of many Ethiopians, the disadvantage of regional politics. Atleast it must not be intensified. More strength for the Federalism. Unity.
We can't be in a fortnight a democratic nations and nationalities – even if we wish it utmost. We have to look the old binding glue of Ethiopian kingdoms. If we remove this glue we crumble. We have to restore some old knowledge of our sustenance.
We shouldn't be idealists, there are existing realities we must consider. It doesn't mean we must take advantage of smaller nationalities and nations - we must listen to them while silencing also destabilizing factors that knock off balance of our survival.
Our “Civilization” survived because of the self-mirroring, generically set generosity and wisdom safeguarding system. We must now learn fast from the rest of the ‘well doing’ world and adjust our performance.
We have no time, one teacher figure used to say:
Kaltesaferubeet Ruto Teshkedadmo
Gizé Taxi Ayideleem Ayitebikim Komo ::
So compatriates, act steely and steadfastly!
don't bite eachother...
mt
06/18/07 @ 05:28
Comment from: Yonas Tibebe [Visitor]
This is a great PR coup for ONLF. As an Ethiopian, I am not supportive of their actions. They are shiftas, but they may have claims that the government needs to look at. Talk is cheap; 20 years ago, we used to say that Eritrea will ALWAYS be part of Ethiopia. Well, that did not work out too well, did it? So instead of talking, we should act and make serious effort to come to the aid of OUR people.
ONLF should also understand that running a country is not such any easy undertaking. Look at Somalia, Ogaden as an independent country would be yet another Somalia. Meles needs to clean this mess up, even if it means going straight to the sponsor Eritrea and taking dumbass Issayas out.
ONLF should also understand that running a country is not such any easy undertaking. Look at Somalia, Ogaden as an independent country would be yet another Somalia. Meles needs to clean this mess up, even if it means going straight to the sponsor Eritrea and taking dumbass Issayas out.
06/18/07 @ 06:06
Comment from: TEDDY [Visitor]
What ! a so called High Official telling
us that this country[Ethiopia]has never
been easy to rule .This is simply a testimony
for incompetency .Zenawi and TPLF first of
all must accept the will of the majority
of the peoples .Democracy is afterall a
culture based on the power of the peoples.
If Ethiopia is not an easy country to rule
is because its peoples are denied from their
right of Freedom and Democracy .Of course
TPLF will spread its tears of crocodile
by telling us of its so called "..FEDERALISM.."
and the right of nationalities .The famous
Tyrants Ideology of "..Dividing to reign..
".Ethiopian peoples deserved too for their
rights of liberty !!!Zenawi and TPLF are
main obstacles for any solution .
LONG LIVE THE TRUE ETHIOPIANS !!!
FREE THE CUD LEADERS !!!
GOD BLESS UNITED ETHIOPIA !!!
06/18/07 @ 06:10
Comment from: Amsterdamer [Visitor]
"The armed resistance began in 1994, after the Ogaden National Liberation Front" according to NY………WRONG……armed resistance began in 1984.
This is for sure a very Sad Story. However being called as one of Africa's disciplined & most effective Soldiers. It is hard to believe every thing the ONLF said to the journalists. There is simply no clear evidence for this.
Common…What do you expect from one sided interview with ONLF….. ….. However there may be some mis behave & even crime committed by some individuals. For sure those responsible should be brought to justice for their crime & discreet the national army
06/18/07 @ 06:11
Comment from: Wozeiro Condjo [Visitor]
Ra'Oeil ራዕይ
A. The separatist option they hold dear is the undoing of a whole continent and its complete and permanent subordination.
separatist & subordination don't go together. Are you writing in English or your gaez?
B. The establishment of a genuine democratic system is the ONLY viable option that can effectively solve this and other numerous problems afflicting our country.
Can you talk about democracy and by the same token you are not allowing other to be separated from ethiopia?
In democracy there is no such thing as forcing people to assimilate or be part of your BS
A. The separatist option they hold dear is the undoing of a whole continent and its complete and permanent subordination.
separatist & subordination don't go together. Are you writing in English or your gaez?
B. The establishment of a genuine democratic system is the ONLY viable option that can effectively solve this and other numerous problems afflicting our country.
Can you talk about democracy and by the same token you are not allowing other to be separated from ethiopia?
In democracy there is no such thing as forcing people to assimilate or be part of your BS
06/18/07 @ 06:31
Comment from: Mahlet [Visitor]
NYT
good propaganda and or advertise
ONLF how mach making paypent for this propaganda
good propaganda and or advertise
ONLF how mach making paypent for this propaganda
06/18/07 @ 06:32
Comment from: Bean [Visitor]
Thanks the NY times.
Aschenaki,
You are totally out of mind, utter stupid with no point. How on earth do u say Minilik should have baptaized them? U mean it is only non-Orthodox christians who asks for freedom and justice. Person,I don't have what to say, but plz think like human, at least like an idiot human; urs is worse.
U and ur likes are Ethiopia's number one enemy.
Bean
God give us the wisdom
06/18/07 @ 07:14
Comment from: meaza g [Visitor]
what ever it is weather a single "shista" or organized rebels or others:
1. he/they is/are ETHns,
2. he/they has/have right to participate in polotical, economical & social afairs,
3. he/they has/have free to live & pround by his/their country . since his/their country is his/their identity.
Due to those facts,The regime likes or dislikes, he must find a political solution or has a responisible to solve their proplems.
in modern society killing, torturing, jailing , rapping, cracking,.....etc are not solution.
1. he/they is/are ETHns,
2. he/they has/have right to participate in polotical, economical & social afairs,
3. he/they has/have free to live & pround by his/their country . since his/their country is his/their identity.
Due to those facts,The regime likes or dislikes, he must find a political solution or has a responisible to solve their proplems.
in modern society killing, torturing, jailing , rapping, cracking,.....etc are not solution.
06/18/07 @ 07:46
Comment from: ababu [Visitor]
No matter how you spin it Ogaden is Ethiopian. Will remain Ethiopian. No matter where so called reporters sympathy lies.
Our Ogaden brothers and sisters are not fools. They cannot be misled by the ruthless machinations of Shabia and OLF.
As far as the ONLF is concerned. You read the report and judge for yourself. They are 300 in number, they are hungry, thirsty and the only weapon they have is a highly exaggerated story of rape and torture by Ethiopian soldiers.
In other words, they are too miniscule to bring any kind of change in that area. Only a Western reporter helped by ONLF translators and guides would bring such a distorted report. Shame on the NY Times.
Our Ogaden brothers and sisters are not fools. They cannot be misled by the ruthless machinations of Shabia and OLF.
As far as the ONLF is concerned. You read the report and judge for yourself. They are 300 in number, they are hungry, thirsty and the only weapon they have is a highly exaggerated story of rape and torture by Ethiopian soldiers.
In other words, they are too miniscule to bring any kind of change in that area. Only a Western reporter helped by ONLF translators and guides would bring such a distorted report. Shame on the NY Times.
06/18/07 @ 07:46
Comment from: somali_nastionalist [Visitor]
You atre nothing but a bunch of rapist idiots. I have been to ogaden and trust me its not a nice place. They are not ethiopian and don;t want to be one. Let ogaden become independent. Why cry for people who don't want anything to do with you. Ethiopians are rapists and your army is not disciplined. As a matter of fact its the most undisciplined army in africa. Shooting people in addis? indiscriminate bombing of civilians in mogadishu>?
Things are now hoting up. no wonder meles gave up badme. Soon ogaden shall be free. Where there is a will there is a way. America will back ogaden when the oil start flowing. After all with a large somali population in america we will ensure that.
Things are now hoting up. no wonder meles gave up badme. Soon ogaden shall be free. Where there is a will there is a way. America will back ogaden when the oil start flowing. After all with a large somali population in america we will ensure that.
06/18/07 @ 07:54
Comment from: Gehon [Visitor]
Here is Jeffrey, who presservrd Ethiopia in his freezer ever since he jumped over the border in to Ethiopia illegally by way of Kenya, in order for him to cannibalize her(Ethiopia) whenever he fills like too. A degenerous moron, who never learns from his past mistakes, and continues to distabilaize countries like Ethiopia. He has been always on the side of bad guys and a fascination for some sort of uprising against governments around the globe. The Ethiopian Government would have jailed him together with the ogaden terrorists at least for a couple of months. The agent of Ethiopian haters associated with European based anti Ethiopian elements. Jeffrey you are a disgrace to international reporters, get out of my country, you have caused enough trouble, in Israel, Palestine, Lebanon, Iraq etc. etc. You are an old communist in the 21st century.
06/18/07 @ 08:36
Comment from: Graham [Visitor]
Shame on you Ethiopian , row meat eaters, , how come you rape women.
06/18/07 @ 08:38
Comment from: Habtom [Visitor]
Although the government is in question with human right issues against its opponents, the report here which emphsized 'rape' as a day to day tactic of Ethiopian troops is entirely fictious and un justifiable. The Ethiopian army, for that matter is highly disciplined and can't do this kind of repeated crime in the ogaden. Don't forget that Somali women are very smart in character assasination when it comes to politics.
06/18/07 @ 08:49
Comment from: habeshaw [Visitor]
you know what? i always read the propoganda of
"they killed children, women, and raped"
story. it seems effective and that is why it is used mostly by PLO, OLF,ONLF, and EPRF and EPDRF in the past. have you realized this?
"they killed children, women, and raped"
story. it seems effective and that is why it is used mostly by PLO, OLF,ONLF, and EPRF and EPDRF in the past. have you realized this?
06/18/07 @ 08:57
Comment from: Mujaahid [Visitor]
This time I couldn't hold on my pen!
Just appriciate how brave the reporter is! The agony of the Ethiopian Somalis is fact, and absolutely such brutality would only lead to the break up of the country. The right of the Ethiopian Somalis should be honored, only then Ethiopia can claim to be their mom
Just appriciate how brave the reporter is! The agony of the Ethiopian Somalis is fact, and absolutely such brutality would only lead to the break up of the country. The right of the Ethiopian Somalis should be honored, only then Ethiopia can claim to be their mom
06/18/07 @ 09:07
Comment from: Genuine [Visitor]
Wishet Wishet Wishet!!
Shame on those responsible to let this be read. let me tell you this.. The Ethiopian Milittery force is one of the most decicplined force ever in the planet earth:: imagine an Ethiopian army raping a nomad somali ??? pls check yourself if you are normal. better trust your own ethiopian brand government than those bandas who are crying out to dismantle our beloved country Ethiopia. by the way I have come to a conclusion that this web site ebelongs to the group who hates Ethiopia. One who loves ethiopia doesn't allow this text to be published here::
may god bless our country!!
Shame on those responsible to let this be read. let me tell you this.. The Ethiopian Milittery force is one of the most decicplined force ever in the planet earth:: imagine an Ethiopian army raping a nomad somali ??? pls check yourself if you are normal. better trust your own ethiopian brand government than those bandas who are crying out to dismantle our beloved country Ethiopia. by the way I have come to a conclusion that this web site ebelongs to the group who hates Ethiopia. One who loves ethiopia doesn't allow this text to be published here::
may god bless our country!!
06/18/07 @ 09:08
Comment from: Tazabi [Visitor]
Why is that some Ethiopians think that the Weyanes are responsible for 'handing over' Assab to Eritrea. You must have either been born after 1991 or left the country before 1991 and have only started following up events recently.
This is for your own benefit. Noone! and I mean NOONE! gave Eritrea an inch of the land. It won it with some heavy scarifies. It was always Eritrea's land, however conveniently some might like to pretend.
On another point, why are the Ethiopians not learning from past history? Why are the likes of Aschenaki still advocating war against their own people? Is it not clear by now that it only breads resentment and ignites another generation of war? why is it so complicated? Why do all that come to power have to find out for themselves that killing and abusing one generation would only guarantee the next generation to try to retaliate?
And you idiots sit there advocate more war. If, like the Eritreans, the Ethiopians took time out and commemorate those that lost their lives. May be it will give you time to reflect on the actual cost of war in terms of lives. I think the main problem for Ethiopians is that not many can actually relate to the once that are making the sacrifices, with their lives.
Be honest, how many of you actually you know someone who got killed in the 1998-2000 war with Eritrea or the one with Somalia? Trust me you will think differently if you were about to lose your Father or Brothers. In Eritrea case it could even be your Mother and Sisters. That's why you see Eritreans marching for peace and holding candle light vigils for those who were and are dear to them.
This is for your own benefit. Noone! and I mean NOONE! gave Eritrea an inch of the land. It won it with some heavy scarifies. It was always Eritrea's land, however conveniently some might like to pretend.
On another point, why are the Ethiopians not learning from past history? Why are the likes of Aschenaki still advocating war against their own people? Is it not clear by now that it only breads resentment and ignites another generation of war? why is it so complicated? Why do all that come to power have to find out for themselves that killing and abusing one generation would only guarantee the next generation to try to retaliate?
And you idiots sit there advocate more war. If, like the Eritreans, the Ethiopians took time out and commemorate those that lost their lives. May be it will give you time to reflect on the actual cost of war in terms of lives. I think the main problem for Ethiopians is that not many can actually relate to the once that are making the sacrifices, with their lives.
Be honest, how many of you actually you know someone who got killed in the 1998-2000 war with Eritrea or the one with Somalia? Trust me you will think differently if you were about to lose your Father or Brothers. In Eritrea case it could even be your Mother and Sisters. That's why you see Eritreans marching for peace and holding candle light vigils for those who were and are dear to them.
06/18/07 @ 09:18
Comment from: Dagnachew [Visitor]
My Message to the opposition specially Kinijit is Unless we treat what is happening in Ogaden the same as what happened in Addis Ababa, we will be seen as hypocratical. We must denounce the weyane regimes brutality in Ogaden the same way as the brutality in Addis Ababa.
06/18/07 @ 09:29
Comment from: GOBEZ [Visitor]
It is all about OIL . now there is a chance Ethiopia might dig out oil with the help of China .the West as usual has to play this cover devil game called humanity. as if they respect humanity.
of course eritreans and onlf will do anything to discredit Ethiopia .
Ethiopians have to be smarter on this because everything is going well for us .soon we will be out of poverty but for that to happen, we have to fight the enemy of Ethiopia including the West media who is driven by its own interest called Greed. God bless this beautiful Nation called ETHIOPIA
of course eritreans and onlf will do anything to discredit Ethiopia .
Ethiopians have to be smarter on this because everything is going well for us .soon we will be out of poverty but for that to happen, we have to fight the enemy of Ethiopia including the West media who is driven by its own interest called Greed. God bless this beautiful Nation called ETHIOPIA
06/18/07 @ 09:30
Comment from: abdi [Visitor]
I wish to be one of the greatest men that trying to keep up their dignity, and i wish to one of the men that will enter and destroy the wayane land tigrey and they should mine that we will do what they did in ogaden , the ogaden history is not some thing that the world can hide it, we have been fighting against colony 102 years from the supper powers and the ogaden people will never give up this untill they give concequence to those who comitt the crime in ogaden from the colony time and 1954 when the ethiopian came to our land.
think and make sure that you will never sleep with peace , and let me remembering u that the heroes of ogaden is in opataration.
think and make sure that you will never sleep with peace , and let me remembering u that the heroes of ogaden is in opataration.
06/18/07 @ 10:17
Comment from: Tezebet [Visitor]
Aschenaki [Visitor]
My friend the reason I am responding to your note is I see a strong Ethiopia-wnate in you, and I feel I can put my penny worth of observation for some of the things that you mention….As an Ethiopian (110 %) and as a person who doesn't compromise the integrity and unity of Ethiopia I would like to say things that might help our Ethiopian… you have raised a great points and I want to give a comment the one I have slight deferent with you…
1.) I hate to categorize these people as a terrorist or calling name before we really give them a chance and understand them why they fight to separate. We need a very nationalist with a wise mind to resolve this matter. The more TPLF lead by thug like Melese and Sebehat naga, our national interest is in question… TPLF constitution article 39 is the thing that I blame for this entire thing… they put article 39 not because they really believe in it, they use it for their hidden agenda and to fulfill Eritrean wish Let us not do the same mistake Derg did when he was in power. He call Eritrean shifta and TPLF shifta… name calling without understanding a core problem can't help our country. Melese by any means is a person who like to seat and negotiate unless he got his way… he proved it over and over. They were there since 1994 (according to the news) that means they were there before this terrorist phenomenon start or Islamic fascism…
2.) you said," I want nothing but a Strong united Ethiopia and do not want a sudden collapse of the Woyane regime with out a viable party to take over" you have a point here but I need you to tell me how and who is going to be that viable party? Every political party who come forward to organize in what ever means destroyed by Melese, including political parties who believe in peaceful political struggle or peaceful change. Do you really see an opportunity peaceful political struggle and change in our life time? Do you really see a chance Melese and Sebehat Nega give Ethiopia-want a chance? Do you really believe Melese is deferent than the rest of LF? Why do you think TPLF still have not change the name LF after 16 years of a powerhouse?
3.) You should," Menelik should have baptized these bastards and we wouldn't have this problem now." Do you think this kind of word bring our Muslim brother and sister under one umbrella (Ethiopia-want)? Menelik did a great job by not doing that. Can you imagine if someone come and impose his religion believe on me by force?
4.) You said, "Opposition members also should negotiate and perhaps join the parliament and learn give and take and not “my way or the highway” attitude. Politics is all about negotiations. I agree your last word poltics is all about negotiations however negotiations with whom, Melese. They try every single avenue. Please my friend make a research and you will find what had happened right after 2005 election. The opposition group mainly CUD put eight points in order to take their seat in the parliament, however Melese rejected out right. At the matter fact he gives them a warning to all of them. He told them there is only one way that was his way…
5.) You said,"The report is full of hearsay and just what the witnesses said. This young NYT reporter did not have any concrete evidence to support the rape and torture" My friend I can't say the report is from A to Z is true from where I live; especially the rape allegation. However knowing what I know and from the people who been in TPLF prison Melese security force use harsh torturing method. I am 99.9 % believe they torture every single man in their prison I witnessed it right in the capital city right in eye of international media, they murdered innocent people.
My friend the reason I am responding to your note is I see a strong Ethiopia-wnate in you, and I feel I can put my penny worth of observation for some of the things that you mention….As an Ethiopian (110 %) and as a person who doesn't compromise the integrity and unity of Ethiopia I would like to say things that might help our Ethiopian… you have raised a great points and I want to give a comment the one I have slight deferent with you…
1.) I hate to categorize these people as a terrorist or calling name before we really give them a chance and understand them why they fight to separate. We need a very nationalist with a wise mind to resolve this matter. The more TPLF lead by thug like Melese and Sebehat naga, our national interest is in question… TPLF constitution article 39 is the thing that I blame for this entire thing… they put article 39 not because they really believe in it, they use it for their hidden agenda and to fulfill Eritrean wish Let us not do the same mistake Derg did when he was in power. He call Eritrean shifta and TPLF shifta… name calling without understanding a core problem can't help our country. Melese by any means is a person who like to seat and negotiate unless he got his way… he proved it over and over. They were there since 1994 (according to the news) that means they were there before this terrorist phenomenon start or Islamic fascism…
2.) you said," I want nothing but a Strong united Ethiopia and do not want a sudden collapse of the Woyane regime with out a viable party to take over" you have a point here but I need you to tell me how and who is going to be that viable party? Every political party who come forward to organize in what ever means destroyed by Melese, including political parties who believe in peaceful political struggle or peaceful change. Do you really see an opportunity peaceful political struggle and change in our life time? Do you really see a chance Melese and Sebehat Nega give Ethiopia-want a chance? Do you really believe Melese is deferent than the rest of LF? Why do you think TPLF still have not change the name LF after 16 years of a powerhouse?
3.) You should," Menelik should have baptized these bastards and we wouldn't have this problem now." Do you think this kind of word bring our Muslim brother and sister under one umbrella (Ethiopia-want)? Menelik did a great job by not doing that. Can you imagine if someone come and impose his religion believe on me by force?
4.) You said, "Opposition members also should negotiate and perhaps join the parliament and learn give and take and not “my way or the highway” attitude. Politics is all about negotiations. I agree your last word poltics is all about negotiations however negotiations with whom, Melese. They try every single avenue. Please my friend make a research and you will find what had happened right after 2005 election. The opposition group mainly CUD put eight points in order to take their seat in the parliament, however Melese rejected out right. At the matter fact he gives them a warning to all of them. He told them there is only one way that was his way…
5.) You said,"The report is full of hearsay and just what the witnesses said. This young NYT reporter did not have any concrete evidence to support the rape and torture" My friend I can't say the report is from A to Z is true from where I live; especially the rape allegation. However knowing what I know and from the people who been in TPLF prison Melese security force use harsh torturing method. I am 99.9 % believe they torture every single man in their prison I witnessed it right in the capital city right in eye of international media, they murdered innocent people.
06/18/07 @ 10:26
Comment from: Somali realist [Visitor]
TPLF show what kind of human material they made up of. Raping older women, killing children and brutalizing people is what they are doing all over Ethiopia.
Haile Salasie said and later Bob Marley and the Wailers recorded as a song something like “until the philosophy one man is superior than the other is permanently discredited there will be a war”.
It seems as long as the sovereignty, territorial integrity and independence of the peoples of Horn of Africa are not respected, there will be wars in the region.
Western Somalia (Ogaden) belongs to Somalis and it must be given to them. Boundaries that have been established last century will not work because the white man has sketched it and it is not original. We lived this region before the white men came and it must remain the way it was prior their arrival.
Unfortunately, the kings that ruled Abyssinia tried to act like the European Empires and tried to colonize the people of the region with the help of the Europeans.
Little History
Since the region was the African front of the crusader’s war against Islam in 11th , 12th , 13th and 14th centuries, the Christian mounted people get the support of the European kings with the Bob’s blessings. Abyssinian kings in 19th century used this earlier history to gain the European support by claiming that “Abyssinia is a Christian island surrounded by sea of Muslims and pagans” In 1884, Minilik became the only black man that was present at the Berlin summit dubbed the scramble for Africa and he got a chunk of Oromo, Somali and Afar lands as a gift from the European kings.
After the second world war, Haile Salasie finished what Minilik started. The British, who hated Somalis so much, gave Western Somalia to the Abyssinian King as a gift for being “an Ally” against what they called fascism. Since then, Western Somalia was occupied territory and the boundary between Somalia and Ethiopia is a disputed boundary.
The European, specially the British, interest was not to help Abyssinia but, as they did every place they colonized, to create conflicts among people of the Horn to make sure they get busy with themselves instead of becoming a competitive region that challenges Europe.
The mountain peoples of Ethiopia, mainly Tigre and Amhara, stop occupying other people’s land please. Every ethnic group in the horn must have the right to determine their destiny or there will be wars and famine in this region.
Peace to Horn.
Haile Salasie said and later Bob Marley and the Wailers recorded as a song something like “until the philosophy one man is superior than the other is permanently discredited there will be a war”.
It seems as long as the sovereignty, territorial integrity and independence of the peoples of Horn of Africa are not respected, there will be wars in the region.
Western Somalia (Ogaden) belongs to Somalis and it must be given to them. Boundaries that have been established last century will not work because the white man has sketched it and it is not original. We lived this region before the white men came and it must remain the way it was prior their arrival.
Unfortunately, the kings that ruled Abyssinia tried to act like the European Empires and tried to colonize the people of the region with the help of the Europeans.
Little History
Since the region was the African front of the crusader’s war against Islam in 11th , 12th , 13th and 14th centuries, the Christian mounted people get the support of the European kings with the Bob’s blessings. Abyssinian kings in 19th century used this earlier history to gain the European support by claiming that “Abyssinia is a Christian island surrounded by sea of Muslims and pagans” In 1884, Minilik became the only black man that was present at the Berlin summit dubbed the scramble for Africa and he got a chunk of Oromo, Somali and Afar lands as a gift from the European kings.
After the second world war, Haile Salasie finished what Minilik started. The British, who hated Somalis so much, gave Western Somalia to the Abyssinian King as a gift for being “an Ally” against what they called fascism. Since then, Western Somalia was occupied territory and the boundary between Somalia and Ethiopia is a disputed boundary.
The European, specially the British, interest was not to help Abyssinia but, as they did every place they colonized, to create conflicts among people of the Horn to make sure they get busy with themselves instead of becoming a competitive region that challenges Europe.
The mountain peoples of Ethiopia, mainly Tigre and Amhara, stop occupying other people’s land please. Every ethnic group in the horn must have the right to determine their destiny or there will be wars and famine in this region.
Peace to Horn.
06/18/07 @ 10:26
Comment from: Metene [Visitor]
Look at what the so called rebel said as to why he fights. “It’s not that I like living in the bush,” he said. “But I have nowhere else to go” but fight? Reporting bizarre allegations, rebel nightmare, and folktale, etc all but bad things about Ethiopia and Ethiopians intended to persuade the US not to be an ally. Well give us that context. Is this what a reputed NY Times supposed to be known for? Please be genuine!
06/18/07 @ 10:32
Comment from: Yeha [Visitor]
Now the qustion is how the New York Times propagandest got through to this remote area and open their nonsense propaganda here. I beleive the government has the right and responsibility to crackdown and arrest these illegal so called journalists. As usual their aim is simply to divided us.
As far as the ONLF goes,they are just shiffta. They simply coordinated by the hyena gangs of Shabya. Beleive me when Shabya dogs are gone which will happen soon then those group called ONLF will simply disapear like salt. Keep in mind, this information is basically against our country. I don't think this kind of propaganda would help for the country unity.
In the mean time, Our soldiers they are well command and disciplined army.
As far as the ONLF goes,they are just shiffta. They simply coordinated by the hyena gangs of Shabya. Beleive me when Shabya dogs are gone which will happen soon then those group called ONLF will simply disapear like salt. Keep in mind, this information is basically against our country. I don't think this kind of propaganda would help for the country unity.
In the mean time, Our soldiers they are well command and disciplined army.
06/18/07 @ 10:37
Comment from: Boxoo [Visitor]
So much comment
Development, propaganda, unity, bla bla bla bla......... It is so painful to the WOYANES and their bandas to accept the truth and confront it to have a practical durable solution. Oil, petro-dollar, and so on. These is not going to take the country anywhere, ya! few more years on power. Look at history , and do not need to be a rocket scientist to understand it. Tyrants eventually will leave with disgrace. It happend to the derg regime, it happend to Charles Taylor, and so on.
One last point, we all know about the details of Charles Taylor (Ex-Liberian leader), and eventually the Americans are the ones who handed him over to the international tribunal at the Hauge, after they used him for so long.
GOD BLESS OROMIA
Boxoo
Development, propaganda, unity, bla bla bla bla......... It is so painful to the WOYANES and their bandas to accept the truth and confront it to have a practical durable solution. Oil, petro-dollar, and so on. These is not going to take the country anywhere, ya! few more years on power. Look at history , and do not need to be a rocket scientist to understand it. Tyrants eventually will leave with disgrace. It happend to the derg regime, it happend to Charles Taylor, and so on.
One last point, we all know about the details of Charles Taylor (Ex-Liberian leader), and eventually the Americans are the ones who handed him over to the international tribunal at the Hauge, after they used him for so long.
GOD BLESS OROMIA
Boxoo
06/18/07 @ 11:11
Comment from: Guigy [Visitor]
I think It's the US'S CIA who are arming
the so called Shifftas, so as the Chinies
would never put foot in Ogaden.
06/18/07 @ 11:31
Comment from: abdi [Visitor]
ogaden is the hardest nation in the third world who fighting to get their rights and this is one of the points that they prograsing.
and we will wait when the onlf will lead ethiopia.and males will be out side the country.kkkkkkkkkkkkkk.
then i will visit him where he is and asking how the ogaden is
abdi
and we will wait when the onlf will lead ethiopia.and males will be out side the country.kkkkkkkkkkkkkk.
then i will visit him where he is and asking how the ogaden is
abdi
06/18/07 @ 11:47
Comment from: Riigoos [Visitor]
The ONLF is an Organisation with a just and nobel couse and determination. What cause have many of u habshis writing here got? none other than claiming what is not urs and prolonging the white colonial legacy. The Ogaden is not Ethiopia have never been will never be, and we are not Ethiopians. The strgugle ofr justice and indipendence will go on and the one who come from far away will be the loser.
06/18/07 @ 12:09
Comment from: omo [Visitor]
We should support the democratic rights of the individual and that of any group that live under dictatorship, insecurity and economic hardship. The people of the Ogaden region of Ethiopia, like all the people of Ethiopia live under these predicaments; and we all sympathize with their plight.
But they must know that they can not fulfill their dream through killings and destruction, but through peaceful struggle in unison with their Ethiopian brothers.
It is a pity that there are many enemies of our country who do not want to see democracy and economic development in a united Ethiopia, but dream of a better future only in her disintegration and demise. They see democracy and economic development only on the other side of the line. The grass is greener on the other side of the fence.
The Eritreans did so. They got what they struggled for and with it they inherited the worst form of dictatorship and economic deprivation. Somalia is in chaos for the last 16 years and yet it is a sovereign country.
The people of the Ogaden region of Ethiopia could struggle for democracy, equality and economic development and a stronger self-governing status through their state government in a federal make up.
If we say that Oromia should secede because it is the richer part of Ethiopia and if Ogaden should also secede because it might have oil; then tomorrow it could be Amhara state because, let’s say that diamond is found, and it goes on without an end. There is no nation in the world that thinks and functions on this logic.
So we can support the democratic rights of the Ogaden people and that of all the oppressed nations, nationalities and tribes of Ethiopia and oppose the destructive agenda of the ONLF and all LFs.
But they must know that they can not fulfill their dream through killings and destruction, but through peaceful struggle in unison with their Ethiopian brothers.
It is a pity that there are many enemies of our country who do not want to see democracy and economic development in a united Ethiopia, but dream of a better future only in her disintegration and demise. They see democracy and economic development only on the other side of the line. The grass is greener on the other side of the fence.
The Eritreans did so. They got what they struggled for and with it they inherited the worst form of dictatorship and economic deprivation. Somalia is in chaos for the last 16 years and yet it is a sovereign country.
The people of the Ogaden region of Ethiopia could struggle for democracy, equality and economic development and a stronger self-governing status through their state government in a federal make up.
If we say that Oromia should secede because it is the richer part of Ethiopia and if Ogaden should also secede because it might have oil; then tomorrow it could be Amhara state because, let’s say that diamond is found, and it goes on without an end. There is no nation in the world that thinks and functions on this logic.
So we can support the democratic rights of the Ogaden people and that of all the oppressed nations, nationalities and tribes of Ethiopia and oppose the destructive agenda of the ONLF and all LFs.
06/18/07 @ 12:13
Comment from: 7-HOUSE- SEB [Visitor]
The ONLF is a terrorist organization
that is in alliance with the CUD in
the diaspora through AFD. First, there
is no need to romanticize these savages
who killed innocent civilians. I urge
the Ethiopian army to hunt them down
like the terrorist that they are. The
U.S. government will label the ONLF
as a terrorist organization very soon.
Then, I wonder how the CUD-Bortchame
diaspora will react. As to the NY times
writer, he has an ax to grind because
the moron was detained by the Ethiopian
forces in the Ogaden so his personal
feeling overwhelemed his professional
duty. Be that as it may, let alone the
O.N.L.F., SHABIYAH , the sponsor of ONLF
cannot do a single act to destabilize
Ethiopia. I will see you at the
millenium. I WILL POUR SOME LIQUOR AT
KALITI PRISON IN HONOR OF THE "HEROES"
IN JAIL.
P.S. DEAR P.M. MELES, DO NOT RESIGN,
WE NEED SUCH LEADERSHIP TO PROTECT
THE NATION FROM THE BORTCHAME VAGABONDS
IN THE U.S. AND EUROPE.
06/18/07 @ 12:25
Comment from: Gehon [Visitor]
When I first rade this article, I was having breakfast with one of my American friend, I couldn't help having him read it. After he finished reading it' this was his comment." You guys have not learned a season from the Sudanis, the crime that Sudan commit was letting the west and the world know, that they have a massive deposit of oil(black gold". It did not strike me before he said It. This is all about Ethiopia striking it rich and becoming the most strongest country, not only in the continent of Africa but, in the world. This is a work of our enemies to distract our progress in every way. The Arabs and Shabia are causing all kinds of problems for our country. Isay-ASS is scared to death of the ever strengthning Ethiopia. The Arabs can not with stand strong Ethiopia, however they will not stop us from developing our country and the on going industrialization of our country. Keep on trying to sabotage Ethiopia you petero $$ Arabas but, you can not stop or hinder the Ethiopian people.
06/18/07 @ 12:31
Comment from: Bell [Visitor]
NY Time,
If the Ny Time is not good for its own country, no one should expect that they'll write good things about other country!!!
If the Ny Time is not good for its own country, no one should expect that they'll write good things about other country!!!
06/18/07 @ 12:33
Comment from: Soamli realist [Visitor]
The TPLF thugs who are bragging about terrorism by ONLF or CUD are themselves the real terrorists in the region. Unless the thugs who came from the TIGTRE region are subjugated to the subhuman status they belong to, there won’t be peace.
We Somalis in Somali are not only determined to dehumanize the TPLF thugs but to take them back to their sub human nature because they are sub-human and deserve not to rule. A minority thugs is what they are and the clock is ticking. You will be punished soon. Wait no more.
Peace to Horn.
We Somalis in Somali are not only determined to dehumanize the TPLF thugs but to take them back to their sub human nature because they are sub-human and deserve not to rule. A minority thugs is what they are and the clock is ticking. You will be punished soon. Wait no more.
Peace to Horn.
06/18/07 @ 12:51
Comment from: Amsterdamer [Visitor]
Soamli realist......
You keep amazing me how dumb you are…. little boy...
You keep amazing me how dumb you are…. little boy...
06/18/07 @ 13:03
Comment from: TruEthiopian [Visitor]
Meles needs to take care of these cockroches soon. they're just going around talking about Ogaden's not Ethiopia's. spray on these insects and make sure you spray enough for them not to come back.
Ethiopia First!!!
Ethiopia First!!!
06/18/07 @ 13:13
Comment from: Gondar [Visitor]
Aschenaki:
Still you are victories with Tewodros salsawi and Mahlet against those immigrant Keep up Real Ethiopians.
Andiyawun Yetilohaji hager adereguat emiyen Ethiopia. You All ONLF go hell. Zetegen ONLF fesam andigoma ayinefam!!!
Still you are victories with Tewodros salsawi and Mahlet against those immigrant Keep up Real Ethiopians.
Andiyawun Yetilohaji hager adereguat emiyen Ethiopia. You All ONLF go hell. Zetegen ONLF fesam andigoma ayinefam!!!
06/18/07 @ 13:18
Comment from: Sami [Visitor]
selamna meregagat : You are very funny when you say Kingit Stupid leaders should be released...
You call them STUPID and you want them out of prison? I guess reality started sinking where if Meles and you do not change your way it may be over for you!
September 12th will be the day Ethiopian People will go out to demonstrate Peacfully and let the world know they are not happy.
If Meles try to kill again then the whole world will prove who he is. Yes, there will be some who may try to couse trouble it is Meles'e Job to contain that with other meancs than leathal wepon. I am sure Meles and his banda will be sending to disrupt so that they could craked down on the law abbiding furstrated public.
Please Meles release the MP's NOW!
You call them STUPID and you want them out of prison? I guess reality started sinking where if Meles and you do not change your way it may be over for you!
September 12th will be the day Ethiopian People will go out to demonstrate Peacfully and let the world know they are not happy.
If Meles try to kill again then the whole world will prove who he is. Yes, there will be some who may try to couse trouble it is Meles'e Job to contain that with other meancs than leathal wepon. I am sure Meles and his banda will be sending to disrupt so that they could craked down on the law abbiding furstrated public.
Please Meles release the MP's NOW!
06/18/07 @ 13:20
Comment from: Adam Smith [Visitor]
seperatist organizationsl like OLF and ONLF need to stop acting like they speak for everyone. most of these people in oromia and ogaden are not seperatist. The only somalians or somalis in here are only seperatists because non seperatist dont have the motivation. There is no factual evidence to back the reports and i suspect if there is any of this nonsence taking place it is not as bad as it seems. These seperatists always overexagerate things to gain symphathy from locals and foriegners. This is good for ONLF though and they have learned the art of using media to spread their own propoganda. shame on the NY times for printing a one sided story.
06/18/07 @ 13:21
Comment from: Balageru [Visitor]
very sad! east Europeans are begging to be part of European union but we look for tiny piece of history and spin it to justify separatism.
Somali realist,
you keep saying western Somalia referring to Ogaden. Somalia never had central government before white man came let alone boundaries, what you had was Somali speaking clans spread all over the lands hence their livelihood depended on cattle herd. even the word SOMAl was originated from a victory song sang after Axumite victory over enemy at ancient port now in Somaliland. organise Mogadishu first and then dream.
later.
Somali realist,
you keep saying western Somalia referring to Ogaden. Somalia never had central government before white man came let alone boundaries, what you had was Somali speaking clans spread all over the lands hence their livelihood depended on cattle herd. even the word SOMAl was originated from a victory song sang after Axumite victory over enemy at ancient port now in Somaliland. organise Mogadishu first and then dream.
later.
06/18/07 @ 13:21
Comment from: wali [Visitor]
more fall out from the cold war now the 'hot war, desired by thw western hegemony to further its anbitions for control of the region.
06/18/07 @ 13:21
Comment from: Gondar [Visitor]
Hello My message to all Ethiopians this is not the only responsibility of TPLF but also all Ethiopians‘, Either CUD or TPLF not worked this is sovereignty question all of you stand together. Our people spent really rough time since all leaders existed now we have to stand together and removed all our enemies. Either from Eritrea, or ONLF, if they separate our land they will not stop , they will advance the center, their dream is to see weak and disintegrated Ethiopia. Alert Ethiopians before trouble time come and knock everyone of your door,! they do not have mercy at all they are cruel animals, As a result we shall stand right now we do not have to expect from the government as well as our hero but we have to contribute the needed support and strengthen to our soldiers stronghold and us finically to protect our sovereignty!
E T H I O P I A, hagerachin TIKIDEM!!!
E T H I O P I A, hagerachin TIKIDEM!!!
06/18/07 @ 14:01
Comment from: Gehon [Visitor]
For those of you commenting about Smomali/Reist, please save your space and learn to ignore him, when you see his nick scroll down to the next one. He is a person of emptiness with no spine and very little brain for what it is worth. Nazret.com has received numerous complaint about erroneous comments but all has been ignored by the Moderator.
06/18/07 @ 14:15
Comment from: ogaden [Visitor]
What time the highlanders would come their common sense,when u are happy killing,raping,torturing the innocent civilian in OROMO,OGADEN,GAMBELLA,AFAR,BEISHENGUL.And the current TIGRIAN REGIME ,even wants that they not even complain,sooner or latter Leggase,siyoum,sebhat,and their stooges,such berekat,will be brought infront of court of justice.
06/18/07 @ 14:17
Comment from: Gondar [Visitor]
ashenafi1
What do you token about? What is independence? If one of your friend/guest come from a distance with his bare foot when he ask you to spend with you because of it get dark, You gave him a gust room but the condition do not allowed him to keep going his journey then because of fear of God and respect you allowed him to live with you, so can he ask you to leave your home ?
Independence: the word it feet with Togo from France and most African countries from England and Europeans, not In Ethiopia, Now We have a lot somalian in Yekamicael through/around megenagna , so that area can separate from Addis you meant? Now because of civil distraction they immigrate all over the world their rate is increased year to year!
Yamale yamale Ogaden bejaching ale!
06/18/07 @ 15:03
Comment from: makeda [Visitor]
This "journalist" is paid BIG MONEY to write this article. The likes of him do not care for the welfare of black people anywhere, especially in Africa. He is writing this to lay the ground for anti-Chinese propaganda for some interest groups in the US who are scared of Chinese economic and trade expansion in Africa. Do not be fooled that he cares for the people he took pictures of.
06/18/07 @ 15:04
Comment from: gudu [Visitor]
something reminds me that EPRDF is at its last days..remember the cruelity of DERG when it was on the verge of falling?
06/18/07 @ 15:35
Comment from: Ogaden [Visitor]
Dear JEFFREY GETTLEMAN,
Thank you very much. You and your team have done a superb job and that is what one expects from the world's topmost newspaper, "The New York Times".
Dear Jeff, I am sure you have seen a lot out in the field, while in Ogaden and I want you to read much more here on Nazret.com. By just reading the comments, you and everybody else will come to know what kind of people ONLF and the people of Ogaden are supposed to deal with. As you can see for yourself, they despise and detest Democracy. In short, the word Democracy is no where to be found in their literature. I will leave the rest for you, however, I would like to say one more time you and your team's report has touched the hearts of millions of Ogadenis.
Having said that, I would like to ask the cyber-warriors who are shouting and boasting over here one simple question:
Since they are indulging in the affairs of others (i.e. people of Ogaden). My questions is, how do they want to keep Ogaden part of Ethiopia?
a)in a Democratic manner (democratically)
b)or in an undemocratic manner (undemocratically)
Bravo Wozeiro Condjo,
You are taking a heroic stand in this subject. Democracy needs a gut. It is very difficult to keep together a rotten-Neftegnaism and a glittering-Democracy in ones heart. The guys who are making noise over here are all YELLOW in real life. They just make noise over the net and when it comes to reality they want others to fight on their behalf………………shame on them. They should come out of the feudal cave and see the worldwide Democratic Dawn. I remember most of the folks who are here failed DEMOCRACY-101 last year, here on Nazret.com.
Good day
06/18/07 @ 15:36
Comment from: simon [Visitor]
I wonder why these white jerks are always against ethiopia.....you mightnot find one good article out of twenty articles about ethiopia in the web.....why is that?.... For them we are always uncivilized people that kill eachother.....If ONLF was an organization operating in the west, they would have carried out their propaganda of 'war in terror' but when it comes to ethiopia it becomes 'liberation front'....what an irony
Down with biased western medias
Down with biased western medias
06/18/07 @ 15:49
Comment from: Eshetu Daba [Visitor]
I don't know the New York Times is this desperate, to write the advertisement of mendacious propaganda campaign of the children of the Feudal system that was a parasite over the majority of the Ethiopian people for more than a 100 years. They came here as the communists were executing their family and bury them on mass grave or under their toilet. These Communist and Fascist terrorists just before the Derg was to go under started to miss inform the US and other embassies and made themselves dissociate from their genocidal crime and got a visa to the west. All these people brought 100 of thousands of their family members with the money stolen from the Ethiopian people and by uniting their resources are buying a page in major news papers and have become able to make the loudest noise in the West.
The New Your Times has become the national inquirer and write what ever gossip in the world it is fed by this well organized special interest group, without, making an effort to investigate their source of information from various sources. For what ever reason it has become a victim of miss information as usual. It is all here say of those that threw away their arms and ran home and surrendered Addis without a single shot of resistance. These are the children of all what was bad about Ethiopia for generations. The present government is a symbol of their cowardice and can't stand it to see Ethiopians in good hands.
Today Ethiopia is growing double digits for four years in a row and its transformation is nothing less than a miracle, there is foreign and diaspora Ethiopian investment coming into the country and one look at Addis sky line of skyscrapers, say that the capitalists of the world have voted with their money and are betting on this investment friendly and stable democratic government of Ethiopia.
The enemies of the people who had lived a leisure life as the parasite over the Ethiopian people, are trying all means to regain their power. The New York Times may deceive a few anarchists in the West that have not seen a good government they like. The African and the rest of the world inteligencia knows what a miracle is happening in Ethiopia where many come to a meeting that goes all year around in Addis the Capital of Africa. They also read the acknowledgement of this phenomenon by the world Bank, IMF and NGOS that are seeing the developments in every hamlet of the nation..
Now CUD members try to cover their cowardice as liberators and democrats. They have a net work of disinformation to defame the government that they have over 200 members of Parliament and which is the most heterogeneous of all Parties. Their party CUD does not even invite any Muslim who are 50% of the population and their members are 99% of the clan that has only 25% of the population. They are chauvinists who believe that they are the real Ethiopians and are entitled to rule for ever and use everything imaginable to regain their centuries old rule.
These groups in their web pages not only glamorise the terrorist act of the OPLF on unarmed engineers and geologist of Ethiopians and Chinese in cold blood. My enemies enemy is my friend is there slogan. Not only that their leaders that are stationed in the west today have moved their headquarters to Asmara. These tertiary level politicians are foolish who are seduced by the lust of power. The Eritreans are smart people when they see a fox in a sheep's clothing. They know they did not support the independence of Eritrea and if they come to power war is inevitable for Assab Port and the blood shed will dwarf any war in this century. For the Eritreans they are nothing but use and throw. The political goal of Eritrea is in order to be safe the destruction of Ethiopia and division in to fiefdoms that fight one another as they see that no one gets out victories.
Ethiopia has more private news papers that are all used by the opposition party, than we have Black news papers in America. The Election of 2005 was called fare by President Carter and all western countries except one tertiary level EU representative from Spain where there is bombing of ETA every now and then for decades today.
Ethiopia is like Israel that is circled by unfriendly Arab nations that see it as a stumbling block to Islamize the whole of Africa East to West.
Domestically these who cry foul at the most democratic government in the whole of Africa, are fools who forgot the crime committed by there fore fathers against the majority of the population the OLF is representing and wants to break away from Ethiopia and only after a Randa type vengeance genocide against their eternal enemies the Amara's who have less in population, natural resource and armaments. The Tigrai people are at least armed and could protect themselves from any enemy. They could even take Eritrea by force or join it in peace for they have no difference in language or religion.
The New York Times should not criticise an election that did not have even the question of chads and quarter chads like in Florida. A country where people demonstrate peacefully every couple of months and throw insults to the Prime Minister even at a soccer venue.
All African leading leaders knows andy see Prime Minister Meles as a great leader in his democratization and human rights record except western commircialized news papers. In spite of the fact he is leading a nation that has several fault lines that are threatening to come apart. You are looking right at a former Yugoslavia when you talk about Ethiopia, and there are major and minor players that are working in unis om to see the same in Ethiopia.
Send an investigative journalist that could get information from all sides including the Embassies of the world who know African politics. Your problem is your journalists pretend as if they are sending the news from the source in Ethiopia or any other part of the world, but from their apartment in central New York. What a Shame!!!
If you are for terrorists go and see the wall that is being erected in Israel for protection. Ethiopia is to large to take such a desperate action, nor has the resource to do so. The world is looking the Palestinians killing each other and it has looked Somalia Psalmists flogging women in public and chopping hands for a small offense.
The New Your Times has become the national inquirer and write what ever gossip in the world it is fed by this well organized special interest group, without, making an effort to investigate their source of information from various sources. For what ever reason it has become a victim of miss information as usual. It is all here say of those that threw away their arms and ran home and surrendered Addis without a single shot of resistance. These are the children of all what was bad about Ethiopia for generations. The present government is a symbol of their cowardice and can't stand it to see Ethiopians in good hands.
Today Ethiopia is growing double digits for four years in a row and its transformation is nothing less than a miracle, there is foreign and diaspora Ethiopian investment coming into the country and one look at Addis sky line of skyscrapers, say that the capitalists of the world have voted with their money and are betting on this investment friendly and stable democratic government of Ethiopia.
The enemies of the people who had lived a leisure life as the parasite over the Ethiopian people, are trying all means to regain their power. The New York Times may deceive a few anarchists in the West that have not seen a good government they like. The African and the rest of the world inteligencia knows what a miracle is happening in Ethiopia where many come to a meeting that goes all year around in Addis the Capital of Africa. They also read the acknowledgement of this phenomenon by the world Bank, IMF and NGOS that are seeing the developments in every hamlet of the nation..
Now CUD members try to cover their cowardice as liberators and democrats. They have a net work of disinformation to defame the government that they have over 200 members of Parliament and which is the most heterogeneous of all Parties. Their party CUD does not even invite any Muslim who are 50% of the population and their members are 99% of the clan that has only 25% of the population. They are chauvinists who believe that they are the real Ethiopians and are entitled to rule for ever and use everything imaginable to regain their centuries old rule.
These groups in their web pages not only glamorise the terrorist act of the OPLF on unarmed engineers and geologist of Ethiopians and Chinese in cold blood. My enemies enemy is my friend is there slogan. Not only that their leaders that are stationed in the west today have moved their headquarters to Asmara. These tertiary level politicians are foolish who are seduced by the lust of power. The Eritreans are smart people when they see a fox in a sheep's clothing. They know they did not support the independence of Eritrea and if they come to power war is inevitable for Assab Port and the blood shed will dwarf any war in this century. For the Eritreans they are nothing but use and throw. The political goal of Eritrea is in order to be safe the destruction of Ethiopia and division in to fiefdoms that fight one another as they see that no one gets out victories.
Ethiopia has more private news papers that are all used by the opposition party, than we have Black news papers in America. The Election of 2005 was called fare by President Carter and all western countries except one tertiary level EU representative from Spain where there is bombing of ETA every now and then for decades today.
Ethiopia is like Israel that is circled by unfriendly Arab nations that see it as a stumbling block to Islamize the whole of Africa East to West.
Domestically these who cry foul at the most democratic government in the whole of Africa, are fools who forgot the crime committed by there fore fathers against the majority of the population the OLF is representing and wants to break away from Ethiopia and only after a Randa type vengeance genocide against their eternal enemies the Amara's who have less in population, natural resource and armaments. The Tigrai people are at least armed and could protect themselves from any enemy. They could even take Eritrea by force or join it in peace for they have no difference in language or religion.
The New York Times should not criticise an election that did not have even the question of chads and quarter chads like in Florida. A country where people demonstrate peacefully every couple of months and throw insults to the Prime Minister even at a soccer venue.
All African leading leaders knows andy see Prime Minister Meles as a great leader in his democratization and human rights record except western commircialized news papers. In spite of the fact he is leading a nation that has several fault lines that are threatening to come apart. You are looking right at a former Yugoslavia when you talk about Ethiopia, and there are major and minor players that are working in unis om to see the same in Ethiopia.
Send an investigative journalist that could get information from all sides including the Embassies of the world who know African politics. Your problem is your journalists pretend as if they are sending the news from the source in Ethiopia or any other part of the world, but from their apartment in central New York. What a Shame!!!
If you are for terrorists go and see the wall that is being erected in Israel for protection. Ethiopia is to large to take such a desperate action, nor has the resource to do so. The world is looking the Palestinians killing each other and it has looked Somalia Psalmists flogging women in public and chopping hands for a small offense.
06/18/07 @ 16:11
Comment from: Somali realist [Visitor]
Balageru
What you are saying is not true. The word Somalia originated from the Somali word SOO MAAL. Soo maal means milk the cow, camel or the goat. It is the act of milking a livestock.
Since the time of Egyptians all the way to the time of Herodotus, the roman explorer, came to Somalia roughly 2000 years ago, Somalia was and the Somalis where known, feared and respected people. Somalia was as strategically important almost 5000 years ago during the ancient times when Hetshepsut, whom herself was a Somali married to an Egyptian who was originally from Somalia himself, came back to visit the motherland as it is now. All of these years, we protected our land from the foreigners and without co-operation and leadership, that is impossible. So when you say Somalia never had a central rule you are ignoring this fact. Somali people had kings and queens but we quit the monarchic rule way before Europe and Abyssinia abandoned and that is why we are the only free people in this world.
Same as Asia and the Arab world, no African nation had boundaries prior the arrival of the European colonizers. Somalia had different tribal leaderships, same to Abyssinia. Even modern Ethiopian Political structure is based on tribe. TPLF stands for Tigre People’s Liberation Front. Isn’t it friend! You and I know Western Somalia belongs to Somalis. They are members of Somali tribes in the horn. They share culture, ethnicity, religion, economy, language and land with Somalia. What do they share with Ethiopia my brother unless you say the WHITE MAN GAVE IT TO US BECAUSE OF OUR RELIGIOUS TIES WITH HIM AND WE KEENPING IT THAT WAY AGAINST THE WILL OF ITS PEOPLE?
Having said that, I do believe in a peaceful means is the best way to resolve the Ogaden issue. I equally believe the right for the Somalis in the Ogaden for self-defense.
Gehon
You are very sensitive and poor TPLF thug. I am telling the truth and I will remain to be your nightmare the years to come. If you have the guts to view my writings, go ahead. If you are a gutless TPLF thug, go to hell.
Peace to Horn
What you are saying is not true. The word Somalia originated from the Somali word SOO MAAL. Soo maal means milk the cow, camel or the goat. It is the act of milking a livestock.
Since the time of Egyptians all the way to the time of Herodotus, the roman explorer, came to Somalia roughly 2000 years ago, Somalia was and the Somalis where known, feared and respected people. Somalia was as strategically important almost 5000 years ago during the ancient times when Hetshepsut, whom herself was a Somali married to an Egyptian who was originally from Somalia himself, came back to visit the motherland as it is now. All of these years, we protected our land from the foreigners and without co-operation and leadership, that is impossible. So when you say Somalia never had a central rule you are ignoring this fact. Somali people had kings and queens but we quit the monarchic rule way before Europe and Abyssinia abandoned and that is why we are the only free people in this world.
Same as Asia and the Arab world, no African nation had boundaries prior the arrival of the European colonizers. Somalia had different tribal leaderships, same to Abyssinia. Even modern Ethiopian Political structure is based on tribe. TPLF stands for Tigre People’s Liberation Front. Isn’t it friend! You and I know Western Somalia belongs to Somalis. They are members of Somali tribes in the horn. They share culture, ethnicity, religion, economy, language and land with Somalia. What do they share with Ethiopia my brother unless you say the WHITE MAN GAVE IT TO US BECAUSE OF OUR RELIGIOUS TIES WITH HIM AND WE KEENPING IT THAT WAY AGAINST THE WILL OF ITS PEOPLE?
Having said that, I do believe in a peaceful means is the best way to resolve the Ogaden issue. I equally believe the right for the Somalis in the Ogaden for self-defense.
Gehon
You are very sensitive and poor TPLF thug. I am telling the truth and I will remain to be your nightmare the years to come. If you have the guts to view my writings, go ahead. If you are a gutless TPLF thug, go to hell.
Peace to Horn
06/18/07 @ 16:34
Comment from: Somali realist [Visitor]
Amsterdamer
Why do I amaze you dear brother or sister? I am telling just as it is. No distortion in my comments. Don’t you like to hear the truth?
Why do I amaze you dear brother or sister? I am telling just as it is. No distortion in my comments. Don’t you like to hear the truth?
06/18/07 @ 16:52
Comment from: G/zewd [Visitor]
Down with Meles and TPLF/EPRDF!!!!!!!
All Ethiopians will be free from these gang group soon. You those who sharing stolen wealth of the country and support woyane will re grate, but it will be late.
Victory to Ethiopian peoples.
All Ethiopians will be free from these gang group soon. You those who sharing stolen wealth of the country and support woyane will re grate, but it will be late.
Victory to Ethiopian peoples.
06/18/07 @ 18:03
Comment from: Heersare [Visitor]
O-- Ourland
G-- Guarded by JWXO
A- Always blessed
D- Dearest to our heart
E- Envied by Woyane
N- Never dream to take!
That is from Heersrae souljah busta ass babies!
G-- Guarded by JWXO
A- Always blessed
D- Dearest to our heart
E- Envied by Woyane
N- Never dream to take!
That is from Heersrae souljah busta ass babies!
06/18/07 @ 18:32
Comment from: Balageru [Visitor]
Somali realist,
how many bunch of mirra you have been chewing today? 5000 years of Somalia history! did you read it in Latin or Somalian language? SOO MAAL huh! how about when you chew mirra the sound you make does it sound OGADEN? keep dreaming.
how many bunch of mirra you have been chewing today? 5000 years of Somalia history! did you read it in Latin or Somalian language? SOO MAAL huh! how about when you chew mirra the sound you make does it sound OGADEN? keep dreaming.
06/18/07 @ 18:39
Comment from: kamaal [Visitor]
viva ONLF all poor ethiopians are crying even in our region is under ONLF army they eliminate wayane soldier
06/18/07 @ 19:24
Comment from: Eshetu Daba [Visitor]
Somali realist:
Man you try to write a mythology of Somalia. The Somali People are not known to the Oromo to the Sidama and no body knows when they came and colonized a beach like in Virginia and as nomads they need 1000's of acres per person and claimed all the desert land that was vacated by the rest of the Ethiopian people who left for the fertile plateau and became farmers and made settelments. Everything south of Egypt is known to the great philosophers of Greece like Homer. Who called the people the blameless Ethiopians. They had a great civilization at Axum and let alone Somalia in their back yard king Kaleb even went to Arabian peninsula and ruled Yemen and Saudi Arabia and the population of these countries are bastards of Ethiopians and northern Arabs as the Egyptians too are.
The scramble for Africa by the Berlin Conference in the late 1800, created a French, British and Italian Somali land. Other wise all the land below Egypt whicit self is a bastardized Ethiopians by Arabs is known to the civilized World as Ethiopia. Moses Knows Ethiopia, King David and King Solomon knows Ethiopia. The Gospel of the Lord knows the Ethiopian Queen's eunuch. Who knows you Baby??
06/18/07 @ 19:33
Comment from: leere [Visitor]
the owners of this land or country [i,e. ogadenia] are ogadenian people, so, the TPLF must be stopped the lootin and torture of this people.
06/18/07 @ 19:45
Comment from: leere [Visitor]
the owners of this land or country [i,e. ogadenia] are ogadenian people, so, the TPLF must be stopped the lootin and torture of this people.
06/18/07 @ 19:53
Comment from: GADE [Visitor]
WE WILL NEVER BE PEASE IN OUR COUNTRY UNLASE THE GOVERNMET RESPECT THE PEOPLE AND THE PEOPLE RESPECT EACH OTHER AND THE GOVERMENT.
YES OGADIANS THEY ARE FIGHTING TO GET RESPECTED AND HAVE FREEDAME IF WE DONOT SPORT THAT WE ARE THE GOVERMENT SIDE.ANY THING HAPPEN TO ANY ORGAIZTION IN THAT COUNTRY IS FOR OUR FREEDAME WILL BE NOT FOR OUR FREEDAME ?
06/18/07 @ 19:55
Comment from: Boxoo [Visitor]
Hey Eshetu Daba,
You sound Meles Zenawi. I presume that you are his speach writter. Yes, you will say whatever you are told to say so. But that one day, the day of FREEDOM, AND DEMOCRACY is not to far. Till then, keep on barking like a dog for your master.
Boxoo
You sound Meles Zenawi. I presume that you are his speach writter. Yes, you will say whatever you are told to say so. But that one day, the day of FREEDOM, AND DEMOCRACY is not to far. Till then, keep on barking like a dog for your master.
Boxoo
06/18/07 @ 20:05
Comment from: lencho [Visitor]
The Journalist is just grinding an axe for nothing and obviouslly revengefull against Ethiopia for been arrested.
Well again if he put his ass, where he doesn't belong, he's going to visit the dangeons of JIJIGA again.
As far as the article is concerned, the story is not worth the ink he use to write it. These story is going to be forgotten after a week as the previous ones.
BETTAM YASIKALL...KKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK
Well again if he put his ass, where he doesn't belong, he's going to visit the dangeons of JIJIGA again.
As far as the article is concerned, the story is not worth the ink he use to write it. These story is going to be forgotten after a week as the previous ones.
BETTAM YASIKALL...KKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK
06/18/07 @ 20:25
Comment from: Bye [Visitor]
Hi All.
You See what is Happining In The Ogadenia/or The Rest Of Ethiopia, Sorry!! down Woyaane
Hi Guys Where Is the Coast Of What you Calling Ethiopia,
Staring 2 Day there is No Ethiopia Ever Nation Will Get There Awn State.
You Dream Over,
Poverty, Hungary, And Human Abuss is the Home Of Ethiopia.
Malaz ama His Seporter Wil Be Soon in the Jail.
God Bless Ogadeniya.
You See what is Happining In The Ogadenia/or The Rest Of Ethiopia, Sorry!! down Woyaane
Hi Guys Where Is the Coast Of What you Calling Ethiopia,
Staring 2 Day there is No Ethiopia Ever Nation Will Get There Awn State.
You Dream Over,
Poverty, Hungary, And Human Abuss is the Home Of Ethiopia.
Malaz ama His Seporter Wil Be Soon in the Jail.
God Bless Ogadeniya.
06/18/07 @ 20:36
Comment from: Gondar [Visitor]
sory nazret.com I made it long only for this article
Aamara’s who have less in population, natural resource and armaments. The Tigrai people are at least armed and could protect themselves from any enemy. They could even take Eritrea by force or join it in peace for they have no difference in language or religion
Are you alright brother???
Your dirt politics under the shade of Tigre will not strike its target why don’t you independently try to analyze your arguments instead discriminating and a base one self the other. Today’s defensive power is the bunch of all ethnic group just not only Tigre. Instead of running with your copy and paste idea why don’t you think about it and try to say the truth man. I see your super mind you said that, “””Amara's who have less in population,“”. Who cares! So you meant we have to start rat sex like your population to increase the number of our societies or what if it is really less population? Dudub! But you do not know what you are saying. Amhara people are wise smart, talent controlling their sexual habit; they have fantastic family plan, but if you count “genfo and geleba what is the need? bro We are living under the Gods law do not jealous man. We have enough natural resources if we use it properly that is not the point “ezih lay kesirehal”
Now you are preaching with your dirt Ethiopian democratic situation.
Look your inferior sentence, “”Tigrai people are at least armed and could protect themselves from any enemy.” Brother why you ignore yourself? Why not you try to think every barging sentences and paragraphs before you spit on the internet by excluded others and yourself. Bro I really got your point you are not TPLF supporter but the activist who silly ignore TPLF. A moment you are trying to build TPLF with “yenbuaye kab” while they are telling and believing the administration is equal You leave trash. I think they should fire you from your position as soon as possible you hatred brain. But you know your crap imitate idea and hateful of Amhara doesn’t decreases our wellbeing in the societies. I do no your problem with Amhara societies? Even though the past thousands of the administration held with Amhara and Tigre, we are the victims they didn’t offer exceptionally to Amhara societies, what is the hell with you man hateful evil sprit you are still stuck living. Forget it! You are Christian, When you pray, yebedelunin yikir endeminil. not yebedelinewun because it is easy after you hurt someone to ask forgiving. If you are the victim just forgive and stand hand to hand to run for ward our country why you still rewind the past that suffer the hole societies. It is easy to respond as you said it but it brings wide gap not encourage our smooth relationship. Brother As God need it Tigre= Amhara=Oromo= all the south and everybody. mezger
God forgive you man. you really sick of everything!!!
06/18/07 @ 20:53
Comment from: Jackso [Visitor]
You can wear the uniform, carry the gun, and grow the hair ,but there no way anyone can counterfit the son of a gun Woyane. Woyane can clean them out within an hour if neccessary.
Woyane forever
Woyane forever
06/18/07 @ 21:01
Comment from: Somali Ethiopian [Visitor]
Lots of BLA, BLA. ONLF is a failed organization that has taken part in Somali Ethiopians inter clan fighting. They have the blood of so many innocent Ethiopians in their hands. They don't represent the will of the Somali Ethiopians by 5%. So don't bother spending time on them. They are bunch of Stupid holding their ignorant followers hostage.
Having said that. We should not ignore the atrocities committed by few of our soldiers. They should be brought to justice.
Secondly the Somali Ethiopian region needs help and development. It has been ignored a lot although things are getting better. I know of many young people who decided to pursue higher education and have gotten sponsorship for masters and PHD studies in China and many other countries. Some Somali Ethiopians have become foreign diplomats. We need the Ethiopian brothers and sisters and the government to focus on development and alleviate the pain caused by many years of wars and poor leadership in the Kilil5.
Also the name “Ogaden” should be made illegal. It is the Somali zone of Ethiopia (Kilil5).
In Kilil5 we had many foreign influences that kept us behind but now our eyes are open. If the Military makes mistakes they will be punished because their duty is to safeguard the rights and property of the Ethiopians including those in Kilil5. The Government should collect the data and forward it to the courts of justice.
Last but not least I would like the Government to invite this ignorant reporter back to Ethiopia and take him through Kilil5 so that he can conduct a balanced report that can represent the true dimension of the Somali region. Let the Ethiopian government show him and his cohorts the number of students it sent for post graduate studies and they will not believe their eyes. I just wanna see this guy compile another report. We don't want foreigners fuelling our problems every time. The name of the horn can change from time to time. It can be Kush or Abyssinia or Ethiopia but our people are one. We can see the damage and divisions brought about by colonialism. Now they have seen our country has lots of wealth including Oil, Gas and many other precious minerals and they want to cut the Somali region of Ethiopia by putting us through more protracted wars. God, When shall we rest?
Those ONLF sympathizers, before you shout, tell me who you are. I have prominent towns named after my grand fathers and I know what is good for people. Who are you?
I certainly know ONLF has failed my people. So, shut up.
The government should jail and don't release this kind of reporters until they substantiate their report. Africans are not puppets to be thrown around.
To the government:
The government should improve the lives of its people and treat them equally.The Somali region needs help not guns. Eliminate the few ONLF and build schools, hospitals and educate the youth. Education is the light.
Prayers:
May God bless Ethiopia, Somalia and everybody in the Horn. Please hold hands and pray for unity and development.
Wrap-up:
If you have questions you are free to send your abuse to my e-mail, as I know many ONLF die-hards will waste their time writing none sense. If you are ready for dialog and you need guidance you are welcome.
By the way, I don't live Ethiopia and have never worked for any government in ethiopia. I know our governments had many bad sides but we should correct problems and safeguard the sanctity of our people and nation first.
Ethiopia Tikidem!!
Somali Ethiopian
somaliethiopia@yahoo.com
Having said that. We should not ignore the atrocities committed by few of our soldiers. They should be brought to justice.
Secondly the Somali Ethiopian region needs help and development. It has been ignored a lot although things are getting better. I know of many young people who decided to pursue higher education and have gotten sponsorship for masters and PHD studies in China and many other countries. Some Somali Ethiopians have become foreign diplomats. We need the Ethiopian brothers and sisters and the government to focus on development and alleviate the pain caused by many years of wars and poor leadership in the Kilil5.
Also the name “Ogaden” should be made illegal. It is the Somali zone of Ethiopia (Kilil5).
In Kilil5 we had many foreign influences that kept us behind but now our eyes are open. If the Military makes mistakes they will be punished because their duty is to safeguard the rights and property of the Ethiopians including those in Kilil5. The Government should collect the data and forward it to the courts of justice.
Last but not least I would like the Government to invite this ignorant reporter back to Ethiopia and take him through Kilil5 so that he can conduct a balanced report that can represent the true dimension of the Somali region. Let the Ethiopian government show him and his cohorts the number of students it sent for post graduate studies and they will not believe their eyes. I just wanna see this guy compile another report. We don't want foreigners fuelling our problems every time. The name of the horn can change from time to time. It can be Kush or Abyssinia or Ethiopia but our people are one. We can see the damage and divisions brought about by colonialism. Now they have seen our country has lots of wealth including Oil, Gas and many other precious minerals and they want to cut the Somali region of Ethiopia by putting us through more protracted wars. God, When shall we rest?
Those ONLF sympathizers, before you shout, tell me who you are. I have prominent towns named after my grand fathers and I know what is good for people. Who are you?
I certainly know ONLF has failed my people. So, shut up.
The government should jail and don't release this kind of reporters until they substantiate their report. Africans are not puppets to be thrown around.
To the government:
The government should improve the lives of its people and treat them equally.The Somali region needs help not guns. Eliminate the few ONLF and build schools, hospitals and educate the youth. Education is the light.
Prayers:
May God bless Ethiopia, Somalia and everybody in the Horn. Please hold hands and pray for unity and development.
Wrap-up:
If you have questions you are free to send your abuse to my e-mail, as I know many ONLF die-hards will waste their time writing none sense. If you are ready for dialog and you need guidance you are welcome.
By the way, I don't live Ethiopia and have never worked for any government in ethiopia. I know our governments had many bad sides but we should correct problems and safeguard the sanctity of our people and nation first.
Ethiopia Tikidem!!
Somali Ethiopian
somaliethiopia@yahoo.com
06/18/07 @ 23:28
Comment from: Wozeiro Condjo [Visitor]
Eshetu Daba,
What you wrote is a fraction of what really have taken place in Ogaden. Let me give you an example on a typical Saturday afternoon when those soldiers who guarded the border of remote area of the region came in town, in Jijiga, they get drunk the whole afternoon and in the evening they kept on shooting at anyone they crossed in the street and raping young women. They used even go inside people house and raped the young women in front of family male. When I say soldiers during imperial Ethiopia, they were Shewa Oromos, Tigrays and of course Amharas. And the poor Somalis could not get justice from Haile or from no one else.
When these soldiers see any caravan crossing the border they use to burn the people alive and steal the goods.
It is easy for most of you guys to say, whatever happened in the past, let us bury the hatchet and move on to build a new chapter in Ethiopia. But first and foremost let the Ogadenis have a fair referendum and let the general populace of Ogaden choose what is good for them. If ever they choose to stay within the border of Ethiopia. Fine and for the last time the past is buried forever and we move on.
Forget about that stupid rhetoric that Somalis cannot even govern themselves. Very True. Those are only the 2 big feuding clans in the parameter of Mogadishu. FYI, in other part for example in Somaliland, everything is OK, no war, no clash between clans.
Let the Ogadenis have a say in their future. But again you guys will say, “Now that oil is discovered in the region, the Ogadenis want to secede from the rest of Ethiopia.” But let me be the devil advocate and say to you guys all, neither Haile nor other have invested anything for the development of the Ogadenis. The whole region is left to it own fate. It was just another imperial expansion. Just "Gura"
Like you said it eloquently, during the administration of Meles, Ethiopia went through total metamorphosis. The economy is booming in many parts of the country, the citizens have witnessing so many good social changes; but if Meles is advocating pure democracy, then if any region want to secede, he should respect their decision.
Nothing can be achieved by force. It is just a matter of time before it blow its lid.
What you wrote is a fraction of what really have taken place in Ogaden. Let me give you an example on a typical Saturday afternoon when those soldiers who guarded the border of remote area of the region came in town, in Jijiga, they get drunk the whole afternoon and in the evening they kept on shooting at anyone they crossed in the street and raping young women. They used even go inside people house and raped the young women in front of family male. When I say soldiers during imperial Ethiopia, they were Shewa Oromos, Tigrays and of course Amharas. And the poor Somalis could not get justice from Haile or from no one else.
When these soldiers see any caravan crossing the border they use to burn the people alive and steal the goods.
It is easy for most of you guys to say, whatever happened in the past, let us bury the hatchet and move on to build a new chapter in Ethiopia. But first and foremost let the Ogadenis have a fair referendum and let the general populace of Ogaden choose what is good for them. If ever they choose to stay within the border of Ethiopia. Fine and for the last time the past is buried forever and we move on.
Forget about that stupid rhetoric that Somalis cannot even govern themselves. Very True. Those are only the 2 big feuding clans in the parameter of Mogadishu. FYI, in other part for example in Somaliland, everything is OK, no war, no clash between clans.
Let the Ogadenis have a say in their future. But again you guys will say, “Now that oil is discovered in the region, the Ogadenis want to secede from the rest of Ethiopia.” But let me be the devil advocate and say to you guys all, neither Haile nor other have invested anything for the development of the Ogadenis. The whole region is left to it own fate. It was just another imperial expansion. Just "Gura"
Like you said it eloquently, during the administration of Meles, Ethiopia went through total metamorphosis. The economy is booming in many parts of the country, the citizens have witnessing so many good social changes; but if Meles is advocating pure democracy, then if any region want to secede, he should respect their decision.
Nothing can be achieved by force. It is just a matter of time before it blow its lid.
06/18/07 @ 23:29
Comment from: Somali Ethiopian [Visitor]
Eshetu deba,
keep cool man.
Do you know the History Egypt?
Do you know the land of Punt?
Do you know the expeditions by queen Hashapshute?
Do you know the people they refered to as ATI?
Somalis have very proud history and you know that. Don't deny it.
The fact is we are all the sons of the people of the Horn and we are brothers and sisters and above all we are Ethiopians under one flag. The Country we live in today is called Ethiopia and tomorrow it can take another name but our people will always be the same.
Ethiopia Tikidem!!
keep cool man.
Do you know the History Egypt?
Do you know the land of Punt?
Do you know the expeditions by queen Hashapshute?
Do you know the people they refered to as ATI?
Somalis have very proud history and you know that. Don't deny it.
The fact is we are all the sons of the people of the Horn and we are brothers and sisters and above all we are Ethiopians under one flag. The Country we live in today is called Ethiopia and tomorrow it can take another name but our people will always be the same.
Ethiopia Tikidem!!
06/19/07 @ 00:22
Comment from: Gondar [Visitor]
Eshetu Daba:
There is no dull in nazret.com expect you and your type. You count that your bull-shit hateful idea that you picked the word from the dictionary and repeating with its meaning after you related someone script. Wow cleaver _ _.
Mostly you like to talk the number and racial segregation, but "Thousands of like you they have thousand problem but one Amhara is enough!!!! Dormant mind still you stack in chapter one while we are in chapter 1999 page312. 3000 thousand years ago our fore father left it this blind now his eye open when we transfrom to the other style “benatih wedul fes honeh bihon yishalneber” CUD doesn’t represent Amhara man you do not have blame people and race, If you are a member of political party tell us how we learn, how improve our conduct or socially as your politics, but all the time you always come with your garbage repeating over again and again oh lord! All Amhara not CUD do not mess it up. stop your hate against our people okay if you are politician. If your politics tell you in this way that is not politics. At this time you are not supporting them but you are telling how racial party it is. if they hire you to do this that is wrong/different. I think you should have get some consideration about your healthy status because every title you do not respond like others immediately you scramble the dictionary and others thought to sow evil, dirt and hate then your brain is just troubleshooting or damaged brain cell. We Amhara are smart I tell you we do not have open the chance for your killer and robber rebels group. I do not care I am pure Amhara with my Dad and Tigre with my mom; her father Eritrea and mom Tigre, but you none of the set "yerigo zinb" shall shut your inferior mouth people speak once you retarded repeat every time hateful propaganda. What shall we do one buggy man immigrant ignore us.
At least if you teach and advertise the plan/objective Of TPLF we can learn something We will expand the difference of political parties but you by the name of TPLF made everything racisms. Why you block TPLF if you are supporter? I do not care if PM meles do good I am happy if he did bad I am not stop to comment but you mezger tetabukeh tikezinaleh
Besheta!
06/19/07 @ 00:42
Comment from: ts [Visitor]
Do not be surprised by this kind of reporting of a terrorist organization from The New York Times also known as The Democratic Times of New York. Every one needs to understand that in America there are two kinds newspapers and media reporting. Most of the major newspapers and TV stations report in support of The Democratic [liberal]party where Bill Clinton is a member of. THE NY TIMES, THE LA TIMES, THE WASHINGTON POST,...etc to name a few are some of the pro democratic party newspapers. TV net work stations like CBS, NBC, ABC and CNN which is seen world wide are also Pro Democratic [Liberal] party medias.
Fox news and cable TV network, most Talk radios, and small city news papers, The wall street journal are Pro Republican [Conservative] party where the current President George Bush and his father,Ronald Regan,...etc are all members.
Since the 2008 US. presidential election is approaching all friends and allies of the current Republican Bush administration will not get positive news coverage in the Pro Democratic media circles. If you noticed The War on Terrorism and The war in Iraq has been getting negative coverage in the above Pro Democratic medias. Every time you watch CNN or read the NY AND LA times or THE WASHINGTON POST, terrorists and suicide bombers are glorified and they count how many civilians and American and coalition forces are dying. Especially , the illegitimate war in Iraq with its many problems has been getting a bad coverage constantly.
Since Melles and the current EPRDF administration and the Bush administration are allies on terrorism do not be surprised if all the separatist movements in Ethiopia fighting the current Ethiopian EPRDF military get front and center news coverage on all Pro Democratic [Liberal] medias. These medias are not about fair news coverage , all they worry about is how to tarnish the image of The Republican Bush administration and its allies and help support The Democratic [Liberal] party win the 2008 presidential election.
Fox news and cable TV network, most Talk radios, and small city news papers, The wall street journal are Pro Republican [Conservative] party where the current President George Bush and his father,Ronald Regan,...etc are all members.
Since the 2008 US. presidential election is approaching all friends and allies of the current Republican Bush administration will not get positive news coverage in the Pro Democratic media circles. If you noticed The War on Terrorism and The war in Iraq has been getting negative coverage in the above Pro Democratic medias. Every time you watch CNN or read the NY AND LA times or THE WASHINGTON POST, terrorists and suicide bombers are glorified and they count how many civilians and American and coalition forces are dying. Especially , the illegitimate war in Iraq with its many problems has been getting a bad coverage constantly.
Since Melles and the current EPRDF administration and the Bush administration are allies on terrorism do not be surprised if all the separatist movements in Ethiopia fighting the current Ethiopian EPRDF military get front and center news coverage on all Pro Democratic [Liberal] medias. These medias are not about fair news coverage , all they worry about is how to tarnish the image of The Republican Bush administration and its allies and help support The Democratic [Liberal] party win the 2008 presidential election.
06/19/07 @ 01:24
Comment from: Tewodros II [Visitor]
Who is Ogaden Liberation Movement ? They are the sons and daughters of Ogaden People. The Ogader ppl sons and daughters killed innocent 70 people by the name of liberation front. The family of those innocent people barried their dead and crying still. Now it is time Ogaden fathers and Mothers are crying and suffering. This is Gods judgement. God is working through people. Woyane is doing it. Eye for an Eye! Bring those who killed innocent people to justic. Justic is for all not only for one group of people. If one group of people did injustic to others, there is some one asigned by God to bring justic for the dead. I think it is the work of GOD. I DONT FEEL SORRY for OGADEN PEOPLE. They have to pay a prise for what their sons and daughters did. who gave them the rights to kill those innocent people in the first place ?
06/19/07 @ 02:39
Comment from: Tewodros II [Visitor]
Those Innocent people who are killed by Ogaden Liberation Front , they have Fathers,Mothers, Sisters, Brothers, Children, Wife`s, Family.
Now it is time, the Ogaden Liberation killers , their Fathers, Mothers, Sisters, Brothers, Children,Wife`s, Families has to die and suffer.
They have to pay the Prise !
"For every Action there is Reaction !"
Now it is time, the Ogaden Liberation killers , their Fathers, Mothers, Sisters, Brothers, Children,Wife`s, Families has to die and suffer.
They have to pay the Prise !
"For every Action there is Reaction !"
06/19/07 @ 02:48
Comment from: Seleme [Visitor]
W. Condjo & E. Daba,
There is no difference from those previous soldiers of Evil to these soldiers of another Evil.
Idiots! look at this!
In December 1997, the Ethiopian army razed to the ground the villages of Weerare, Laan-jaleelo, Xero-bilcir, Garaan, Lix-irdood, Samo and Masaarre, killing many defenceless civilians. The government troops looted at gun-point, 6 000 head of camels and 20 000 head of sheep and cattle owned by innocent nomads.Your Evil Soldiers terrorize the civilian population and stop trade movements, the Ethiopian government has prevented the people from opening shops, teashops and restaurants or doing any lucrative activity in the area between Wardheer and Awaare, in order to starve out the civilian population.
Since October 1997, the Ethiopian government security and army forces rounded up and detained hundreds of civilians throughout the Ogaden. The detainees were massed in military detention camps. Extrajudicial killings, torture, rape, and other cruel, inhuman and degrading treatments by the EPRDF government forces were reported.
The Ogaden Human Rights Committee fears for the safety and well-being of hundreds of civilians detained and massed in military detention camps throughout the Ogaden by the EPRDF forces. The detainees are being held incommunicado without charges or trials.
Shame on you W. Condjo! dont ever say these is your PEOPLE! people killed, tortured by your Evil Father soldiers!
Shame! Shame! Shame on YOU!!!
DOWN TO SOLDIERS OF EVIL!!!
06/19/07 @ 03:30
Comment from: Ogaden [Visitor]
frist i just want thank NY times
however ONLF will finish the job they started for so many reason. Some of
these are family that are getting
killed and the womens plus the right.
Some of the things that i saw on my
two eye was something that i never
experience even though i was luck i
didn't get crazy but when never i
remember i just sit and cry for all
the things that the Ethiopia are doing
to my people.However i know there is
so many people just making sens like
like joke but is not because i lost
most of my family by Ethiopian killing
them with out justice so do i believe
this story hell yeah i do and i think
the Ethiopias are even doing worst
then that, however the only solution
to the table is we want the Ethopian
to get out my homeland and i am saying
this because for the past 16 years
their is nothing they did for my people
and i am not hoping anything for them.
The only hope i have is GOD and ONLF
and i am supporting them everyday in
my life time antell the freedom come
because i am i know for sure that my
people are under murder and killer
man who is ruling their land.
ONLF IS THE ONLY HOPE WE HAVE
GOD BLESS OGADENIAY
\“ I’m worried that I’ll become crazy because of what happened.”
06/19/07 @ 04:48
Comment from: Stgugglerman [Visitor]
Thanks New York Times
All Ethiopian listen in the name of God the Ogaden is the grave of the Tigree Maletia,and every one with them.
Ethiopia won't be peace until the Ogaden is free.
All Ethiopian listen in the name of God the Ogaden is the grave of the Tigree Maletia,and every one with them.
Ethiopia won't be peace until the Ogaden is free.
06/19/07 @ 05:45
Comment from: kilo [Visitor]
Hello Net-warriors.Iam a constant
reader of nazret.com. it is a some time a headache, to read comments from
the sick diasporans.Iam not a separatist but i would like ethiopians should unite under the idea of self-determination.we don't have to force any body but rather convince them.some time iam sooo worried about the future of Ethiopia because, look at current leaders all they talk about is crackdown killings and western imitations of "terror"
rebels talk about the same shit.these days the focus was on Ogaden.if you are healthy ethiopian study the history of this region so called Ogadenia in eastern Ethiopia.since 1954 there was some kind of uprising.every single king and Pm tried to solve thing by force but it did't work. using force only strenghen Rebels and that is what many african idiots don't understand.Siad barre and mengistu were the two most powerful tyrants in black africa were are they?
and one thing bullets kill every body it doesn't matter if you are ONLf or TPLF.don't forget tigray liberation front were fighting for the Indepedence of their region,but they dicided to stay with us after they came to power do you know why because when some one rules he realises that he is part and parcel of that land
let me come back to the Ogaden issue.
ogadenis have a lot educated leaders who most of lives spent abroad.we did't give them the chance to come to platform of Ethiopian politics.if we did they would have changed their minds of separatism.so when I read comments from people who call themselve true Ethiopiawoj it seems to me that a sicknes of destroying their opponents has thickened in their minds. the forgivesness ordered
by two main religions and other rooted tribal beliefs of the country
had been ignored.Denial of rights will only lead us to destruction both individually and nationwise.
reader of nazret.com. it is a some time a headache, to read comments from
the sick diasporans.Iam not a separatist but i would like ethiopians should unite under the idea of self-determination.we don't have to force any body but rather convince them.some time iam sooo worried about the future of Ethiopia because, look at current leaders all they talk about is crackdown killings and western imitations of "terror"
rebels talk about the same shit.these days the focus was on Ogaden.if you are healthy ethiopian study the history of this region so called Ogadenia in eastern Ethiopia.since 1954 there was some kind of uprising.every single king and Pm tried to solve thing by force but it did't work. using force only strenghen Rebels and that is what many african idiots don't understand.Siad barre and mengistu were the two most powerful tyrants in black africa were are they?
and one thing bullets kill every body it doesn't matter if you are ONLf or TPLF.don't forget tigray liberation front were fighting for the Indepedence of their region,but they dicided to stay with us after they came to power do you know why because when some one rules he realises that he is part and parcel of that land
let me come back to the Ogaden issue.
ogadenis have a lot educated leaders who most of lives spent abroad.we did't give them the chance to come to platform of Ethiopian politics.if we did they would have changed their minds of separatism.so when I read comments from people who call themselve true Ethiopiawoj it seems to me that a sicknes of destroying their opponents has thickened in their minds. the forgivesness ordered
by two main religions and other rooted tribal beliefs of the country
had been ignored.Denial of rights will only lead us to destruction both individually and nationwise.
06/19/07 @ 06:22
Comment from: M.T. [Visitor]
Dear Nazreth eds., and "mass" readers,
You are five seconds late...but you need to put this as a counter dispute to NY's news print Jeffrey Gettleman report on Ogaden rebels “Shiftas” which is high lighted in your website. So inundate yourself with the following: and PS. put Gemeda's fresh article on the Ethio blog page. Gemeda Humassa's article is published on American Chronicle, June 18, as:
Evaluating Jeffrey Gettleman’s revenge on Ethiopia, Floyd
By Gemeda Humassa
“ In the middle of May, three New York Times journalists, including Jeffrey Gettleman, were arrested in the Ogaden desert of Ethiopia for unclear reasons ranging from security issues to lack of authorization. They were supposedly getting special tours of the Ogaden battleground with the help the ONLF rebel group. But it took almost a whole month for the angry NYT crew led by Jeffrey to build up a successful revenge on the Ethiopian authorities who arrested them. It was a long overdue article; but it was quite an extensive one (three pages of diverse perspectives) for a non-Ethiopian journalist to pile up.”
/ ///////////###########////////////
Thanking Gemeda and forwarding his first paragraph of his article to the Nazreth eds. Here I go with my piece of comment:
I know you are fast...but you need to be much faster in our trouble infested world and big media and parody. The video shot is powerful. It steals our outlook! The mightier media houses and publishers have the more enslaving magic - text and images. What might be ignored as susceptible will be regrettable later. So we must be razor sharp, what to presume and drop from this massive amount of information of odds and ends – in a split of second. Of course there is that dragging Mummy’s Meqenet and Dad’s belt that tie us up our feet that the Naz. Readers throw to our feet. Ethiopians, we are ethnically biased societies, less politically so; or is it the sign of the time?
Act also it is our affirmative action – it doesn’t matter from which side of the centre you are standing – South wards or North. So let's say we admit, t is a very good respond to a factually writing journalist. Gemeda’s is a rational/ physical strike of a midfielder. Boom. So to say, objective things, the exact picture God knows, because we are very far away from the Ogaden desert. But we can make our guesses and surmises, that Poverty stricken Ethiopia has no enough food for every one. it has no enough clinics to every one. But everything surmount to the “rush’ to represent “on the news table” the gloomy incident. This is a pure play. But still today’s newsmakers are much ahead instantiating and coming closer to the reality spot. But the news editing is nowadays the most central thing. It is an amazing thing to see journalism makes the living world a(n) un/living site, specially in the west but also in the margined other's mind, where the news media are catching, and though this art is far from perfect. There is always sidelining one news and supporting, ephemerally the other. Presenting in knowledgeable details is tough.
Recently I am oddly flabbergasted to read articles written in “support” to the big Shefafa (Rebel) strikes from well-known but egotistical western presses: Being the most recent NY’s Jeffrey, and the other quite a while ago written, a bonanza issue was from the celebrated Somalian novelist, Nurrudhin Farrah. Great Somalian author though, many put him as Ethiopian Somali (Fikre Tolossa has reiterated this in Ethio Media as response to Nurrudhin’s article). I believe Fikre challenged Farrah on Ethio media but not on a big journal. It is pity currently we have no influential ‘great’ writers or publicists whose powerful texts can be observed as headlines, on wide range issues to bigger readership and circulation. I haven’t said yet all Ethiopia’s military movement is perfect and blameless in the Ogaden region, or elsewhere but how should then these (our) Ethiopian soldiers eliminate terrorist elements, who cross to Ethiopia from the Neighbouring countries. I also want the swift return of the Ethiopian Defence Army from Somalia – the most failed state in the world currently. I believe it is more advantageous to protect the country from its inside, to control the terrorists’ insurgency etc. So we should also stop multitude people’s tribulations. We deserve to live not die, it doesn’t matter the country has improved in many arenas. The Ethiopian regime has to improve its performance and stabilize Ethiopia, as a whole, but not individual regions. It must draw golden balance between the rights of regional autonomies and independent Ethiopia. Every Ethiopian should raise its three-penny sentiments to giving his/her own sweat and life. Every thing is helpful.
Regional self sustainability is going to show up when we have a strong and independent nation. We don't need dictatorial ambition, from hard core elements from both sides of the political spectra – I don’t know they must be rechecked. Any one can achieve when s/he appreciates political challenges. We need wiser and more competent leaders, journalists, political commentators. We have to sharpen those now who are active in the forefront of leadership while raising those falling from behind door.
mt
06/19/07 @ 07:15
Comment from: Somali realist [Visitor]
Eshetu Daba
The biblical Ethiopia is different than the modern nation state Ethiopia. The biblical Ethiopia you are talking about includes Egypt, Sudan, Eritrea, Ethiopia and Somalia.
So please, when you are using the biblical Ethiopia, remember it is all the region of North East Africa including Egypt.
We Somalis do not brag about our history. That is not our nature but since everything that is ours is claimed either by Egypt, Ethiopia, Sudan, Yaman or Others, we have to set the record straight. We have to do this because Egyptians and Ethiopians try to change historical facts.
Egyptians of today we all know 90% are Turkish and Greek try to change history to their advantage by erasing the fact that the ancient Egyptians came from Somalia. Fortunately, the facts on the walls of the Ancient Egyptian buildings are undeniable. The evidence that they came from Somalia is over whelming that no diversion is possible.
Similarly, I read many people’s comments on this forum claiming that Ethiopia welcomed Muslims when they needed. Well, the Muslims who migrated to Horn of Africa migrated to Somalia and the city state that its king welcomed is Zaila. You do not need to be a rocket scientist to figure this out. There is a geographical and religious evidence to support this truth. So, for the last time on this forum, here are the facts:
1-Ancient Egyptians came from Somalia and they called Somalia their ancestral land therefore worshipped and prayed towards Somalia; Historical facts regarding this is clearly available in Luxor as well the museums in Cairo and Alexandria Egypt.
2-The Muslim migrants came to Zaila which is a Somali city and the Ethiopia that was known at the time of the Prophet, PBUH, is the biblical Ethiopia which Somalia is included;
Peace and Love to Horn
The biblical Ethiopia is different than the modern nation state Ethiopia. The biblical Ethiopia you are talking about includes Egypt, Sudan, Eritrea, Ethiopia and Somalia.
So please, when you are using the biblical Ethiopia, remember it is all the region of North East Africa including Egypt.
We Somalis do not brag about our history. That is not our nature but since everything that is ours is claimed either by Egypt, Ethiopia, Sudan, Yaman or Others, we have to set the record straight. We have to do this because Egyptians and Ethiopians try to change historical facts.
Egyptians of today we all know 90% are Turkish and Greek try to change history to their advantage by erasing the fact that the ancient Egyptians came from Somalia. Fortunately, the facts on the walls of the Ancient Egyptian buildings are undeniable. The evidence that they came from Somalia is over whelming that no diversion is possible.
Similarly, I read many people’s comments on this forum claiming that Ethiopia welcomed Muslims when they needed. Well, the Muslims who migrated to Horn of Africa migrated to Somalia and the city state that its king welcomed is Zaila. You do not need to be a rocket scientist to figure this out. There is a geographical and religious evidence to support this truth. So, for the last time on this forum, here are the facts:
1-Ancient Egyptians came from Somalia and they called Somalia their ancestral land therefore worshipped and prayed towards Somalia; Historical facts regarding this is clearly available in Luxor as well the museums in Cairo and Alexandria Egypt.
2-The Muslim migrants came to Zaila which is a Somali city and the Ethiopia that was known at the time of the Prophet, PBUH, is the biblical Ethiopia which Somalia is included;
Peace and Love to Horn
06/19/07 @ 08:51
Comment from: TIGRAY [Visitor]
Ethiopia will go down the drain until ogadenia is given independence.....After all we don't share any cultural ties with Ogadenians..........i say let them go before they bring havoc upon us.
06/19/07 @ 09:35
Comment from: ELFAN D [Visitor]
I thought that this is Our website(An Ethiopian)
but what am seeing now is mostly dominated by others like USA,and Europe,'coz every article that i read about my country is always bad.
Please people lets open our eyes,and learn from the past.
They don't give a shit about African people,but our resource.So this is bullshit and we don't need to trust these people.Because our fathers knows what they did yesterday and we all know what are they doing today.
"ENA WEGENE HULUM NEGER EGNAWU_LEGNA YEHUN"
ONE COUNTRY
ONE PEOPLE
UNDER ONE FLAG!!
but what am seeing now is mostly dominated by others like USA,and Europe,'coz every article that i read about my country is always bad.
Please people lets open our eyes,and learn from the past.
They don't give a shit about African people,but our resource.So this is bullshit and we don't need to trust these people.Because our fathers knows what they did yesterday and we all know what are they doing today.
"ENA WEGENE HULUM NEGER EGNAWU_LEGNA YEHUN"
ONE COUNTRY
ONE PEOPLE
UNDER ONE FLAG!!
06/19/07 @ 11:30
Comment from: Somali Ethiopian [Visitor]
Somali realist,
Ma'at-ka-Ra Hatshepsut, Female Pharaoh of Egypt
Ma'at-ka-Ra - 'Truth/Order/Balance ("Ma'at") is the Spirit/Double ("ka") of Ra' Hatshepsut - 'Foremost of Noble Women'
this a script on the pyramids. Do you see shaqalka dheer? Do you also see "KA" which they say "OF".
We say wiil Ka Cali = son of (KA) Ali.
Definately these were our people.
Ma'at-ka-Ra Hatshepsut, Female Pharaoh of Egypt
Ma'at-ka-Ra - 'Truth/Order/Balance ("Ma'at") is the Spirit/Double ("ka") of Ra' Hatshepsut - 'Foremost of Noble Women'
this a script on the pyramids. Do you see shaqalka dheer? Do you also see "KA" which they say "OF".
We say wiil Ka Cali = son of (KA) Ali.
Definately these were our people.
06/19/07 @ 11:46
Comment from: Once Ethiopian [Visitor]
Well, well,well, You people are amaizing. When ever some people try to secure theire natural resorces, they are called a Terrorist and this people being a muslim gives The Ethiopian government an Exuse to kill. Well let me tll you some thing you morons, Ogaden belong to the people who live there. Wollega belong to the people who live there and The gurague or Silte regione belongs to the people who live there and so on... Nontheless, we are all Ethiopian If the Centeral govrement treat us all the same. If say for example, If the Harare Regione wants to creat a Sheria Low, they should have the right to do So. If the gonder regione wants to creat a christian low so be it. I Don't have a religion, i'm a tollerant person. You see, mostly you people who came from Addis Ababa think what is best for the rest of US. I say scrue you. We know waht is best for Us.
06/19/07 @ 13:09
Comment from: Temuye [Visitor]
I was expecting better from New York Times. This is false propaganda. Not three hundred, thirty thousands nomads can not stand to fight Ethiopian army. In Ogden everybody carry guns, so what? Why they did not show the big picture of this nomads Ethiopian on the picture.
Rape, Eritrean people are famous liars who are working behind of these people. So, it is not true at all. Think about it, 300 hundred? It does not seem correct. Do you remember how long it takes the army to kick out the strong hold of Somalia’s? 300?
Nooooooooo. I love Ethiopia, plus I am not a member of any party; but I believe it is commonsense what I write.
God Bless Ethiopia
Rape, Eritrean people are famous liars who are working behind of these people. So, it is not true at all. Think about it, 300 hundred? It does not seem correct. Do you remember how long it takes the army to kick out the strong hold of Somalia’s? 300?
Nooooooooo. I love Ethiopia, plus I am not a member of any party; but I believe it is commonsense what I write.
God Bless Ethiopia
06/19/07 @ 14:50
Comment from: Kusso [Visitor]
Somali realist,
What you said here and what you think are world’s apart. I haven’t seen a distortion of history and bragging about myth of this magnitude in a long time. Even after so many years of statelessness and chaos it is surprising to see that people like you have not come to their senses yet. Well take another century, but in the meantime read history carefully.
What you said here and what you think are world’s apart. I haven’t seen a distortion of history and bragging about myth of this magnitude in a long time. Even after so many years of statelessness and chaos it is surprising to see that people like you have not come to their senses yet. Well take another century, but in the meantime read history carefully.
06/19/07 @ 15:14
Comment from: Danziding [Visitor]
The New York Times is a newspaper that has an excellent reputation. The staffs will not write about something that they cannot back-up with evidence.
Tewodros: what kind of stupid justice is that? Should you pay the price for something your parents or brothers did? Does it ever occur to you that some innocent civilians are getting tortured and killed?
Elfan: Have you noticed that most of the companies that advertise on nazret.com are companies that are headquartered in the US? Our world is changing and we are not living in the same world as our fathers lived in. The NY Times puts its staff in harms way to find out the truth and report it to the world. If you think the truth is different, do you know what it is? Whom should we believe?
06/19/07 @ 15:32
Comment from: Ogaden [Visitor]
The biggest problem in Ethiopia is lack of democratic culture. In Ethiopia, you got people who used to have a somewhat democratic-like life style ruled and oppressed
by people who have a deeply entrenched feudal way of life. The past rules of Ethiopia who happened to come from the feudal system were ruthless as well as cowards. All of them used to oppress and degrade people in peace time. Surprisingly, all of them used to flee like a deer at the first site of an enemy. Good examples are, Mengistu, Haile Sellase, Tewodros…..etc (the list goes on and on).
Those who are filling this page with boastings are no different than those chickens. They unashamedly portray in this time and age a dead and rotten FEUDAL way of life. Democracy is completely absent in their way life.
In order for Ethiopia to move an inch from where it was 1000 years ago, the world body and international organizations have to send DEMOCRACY-101 teachers first and the usual food aids second.
The problem of Ogaden as well as the other one thousands and one Ethiopian problems could be easily solved by DEMOCRACY.
Good day
by people who have a deeply entrenched feudal way of life. The past rules of Ethiopia who happened to come from the feudal system were ruthless as well as cowards. All of them used to oppress and degrade people in peace time. Surprisingly, all of them used to flee like a deer at the first site of an enemy. Good examples are, Mengistu, Haile Sellase, Tewodros…..etc (the list goes on and on).
Those who are filling this page with boastings are no different than those chickens. They unashamedly portray in this time and age a dead and rotten FEUDAL way of life. Democracy is completely absent in their way life.
In order for Ethiopia to move an inch from where it was 1000 years ago, the world body and international organizations have to send DEMOCRACY-101 teachers first and the usual food aids second.
The problem of Ogaden as well as the other one thousands and one Ethiopian problems could be easily solved by DEMOCRACY.
Good day
06/19/07 @ 16:02
Comment from: ONLF Sergeant [Visitor]
All of you xabashis claiming Ogadenia is part of Ethiopia I challenge you to go there and see it for yourselves,if it is your Country. You would not last a single day without hiding yourselves in military barracks, you will also see that Ogadenia has nothing what so ever in common with your Ethiopia. We do not have economic ties with you.No cultural ties. no religeous ties. You will feel as if you have landed in as far away as mars.The ONLF is gaining strength day by day, this is only the begining, the heat will be on you soon.no one can deprive us of our freedom in our own country without paying a heavy price.
06/19/07 @ 16:08
Comment from: Br_love [Visitor]
U no what My brothers and sisters, we r
all writing comments,how ogaden belongs
to this country not Somalia, or the
the other way round.
The Truth is
some day we all will leave this world
the same way we came to this world
There is no point fighting for something
that was never his/hers to begain with
So simply said
"REMBER U COME TO THIS WORLD EMPTY
HANDED, AND U SHALL LEAVE THIS WORLD
EMPTY HANDED"
all writing comments,how ogaden belongs
to this country not Somalia, or the
the other way round.
The Truth is
some day we all will leave this world
the same way we came to this world
There is no point fighting for something
that was never his/hers to begain with
So simply said
"REMBER U COME TO THIS WORLD EMPTY
HANDED, AND U SHALL LEAVE THIS WORLD
EMPTY HANDED"
06/19/07 @ 17:26
Comment from: Somali realist [Visitor]
Kusso or Kuusoow
My friend, what is a state and what is a nation? Nation is a society that shares a common interest they are united to protect. State is the authority that protects the nation. Can you tell any country that is in Africa that qualifies to be a nation? When I say qualified to be a nation I mean a society that knows, united and organized for their common good? Is there any authority in Africa that qualifies to be a state? I don’t think so.
Still, nationhood and statehood are alien phenomena in Africa. We tried to adapt the alien system and we could not digest it, therefore we went into a civil war. What we are fighting for is to establish an indigenous NATION STATE SYSTEM. Look at China, how many years they were controlled by warlords and chiefs, almost hundred years. Look where they are now. You have to suffer if you want to achieve better living standards and the struggle you see in Somalia is just such a struggle to create better and competitive Somalia. But first, we have to kick the TPLF thugs out.
In terms of ancient History, I rested my case. Believe what you want but remember you cannot change the facts and many people know the fact.
My friend, what is a state and what is a nation? Nation is a society that shares a common interest they are united to protect. State is the authority that protects the nation. Can you tell any country that is in Africa that qualifies to be a nation? When I say qualified to be a nation I mean a society that knows, united and organized for their common good? Is there any authority in Africa that qualifies to be a state? I don’t think so.
Still, nationhood and statehood are alien phenomena in Africa. We tried to adapt the alien system and we could not digest it, therefore we went into a civil war. What we are fighting for is to establish an indigenous NATION STATE SYSTEM. Look at China, how many years they were controlled by warlords and chiefs, almost hundred years. Look where they are now. You have to suffer if you want to achieve better living standards and the struggle you see in Somalia is just such a struggle to create better and competitive Somalia. But first, we have to kick the TPLF thugs out.
In terms of ancient History, I rested my case. Believe what you want but remember you cannot change the facts and many people know the fact.
06/19/07 @ 17:34
Comment from: coolman [Visitor]
Asking for secession is an ever green fashion in Africa, so it seems–as if it is a universal remedy that heals Africa’s old wounds and immunize against future ills. I think the problems lie somewhere else. It is lack of justice, equality, fair distribution of resources, respect for human rights, and a government, which is can be made accountable. These things can be rightfully fought for. But, does one need to secede to attain them? Is there a guarantee that those liberators will spear head the formation of a democratic system after liberation as vehemently as they are fighting for liberation now? Or, will they be liberator-tuned oppressor of tomorrow? What is their program for development? Is liberation a program by itself? It makes me sad, deeply sad that we do not manage to resolve conflicts through dialogue and compromise. On the other hand, the current government’s remedy of choice seems to be the same as Mengistu’s “landae ena le-me-che-resha gizae, ye-me-che-resha ermidja, qorat wisanae, eni-demessi-sa-chewalen etc. The modern version is launching crackdown on rebels–different director, different actors, but a play from the same script.
Peace
06/19/07 @ 17:38
Comment from: Cagaweyne [Visitor]
Thanks the NY times for exposing the
real live of the Ogaden people.As all
we know The problem of Ogaden was
covered by the Ethopian Regime
for long time.After the oil exploration
The Ogaden Issue become one of the
hotest issue discused in the media.It is imposible that the Woyane can rule
the country as he commited worest
crime in the history
viva ogadens and all suffered people
under the abassinian rule
real live of the Ogaden people.As all
we know The problem of Ogaden was
covered by the Ethopian Regime
for long time.After the oil exploration
The Ogaden Issue become one of the
hotest issue discused in the media.It is imposible that the Woyane can rule
the country as he commited worest
crime in the history
viva ogadens and all suffered people
under the abassinian rule
06/19/07 @ 18:04
Comment from: Nebsu [Visitor]
It is a rubbish report. Ethiopia is marching toward development and its enemy is jelous.
EPRDF has a strong arm that will squash
the enemy. ONLF?? What is that? We have
no time to spend. Ethiopia is for Ethiopians and it is simply wasting time to face
the army of Ethiopia. let the terrerist
come to face EPRDF they will get a lesson that they will
never ever forget. That is my honest
message. We are going for development and
who ever want to fight us, we got you
death.
EPRDF has a strong arm that will squash
the enemy. ONLF?? What is that? We have
no time to spend. Ethiopia is for Ethiopians and it is simply wasting time to face
the army of Ethiopia. let the terrerist
come to face EPRDF they will get a lesson that they will
never ever forget. That is my honest
message. We are going for development and
who ever want to fight us, we got you
death.
06/19/07 @ 21:06
Comment from: Tewodros II [Visitor]
Danziding
Eye for an Eye still it works.
This is the only way to teach the Barbarians. This are one of Gragn Mahammed followers who masacared the cristian population long ago. I know my history. take it or live it. Befor history repeats itself, It must have to be stopped. If they march to addis, do you know what kind of mess they are going to do ? "yehechi bakela kaderech atekoretemem"
This is the right time to finish the job. viva woyane, I am with you on this one.
Eye for an Eye still it works.
This is the only way to teach the Barbarians. This are one of Gragn Mahammed followers who masacared the cristian population long ago. I know my history. take it or live it. Befor history repeats itself, It must have to be stopped. If they march to addis, do you know what kind of mess they are going to do ? "yehechi bakela kaderech atekoretemem"
This is the right time to finish the job. viva woyane, I am with you on this one.
06/20/07 @ 03:27
Comment from: daud [Visitor]
Why cant many of you believe that killing and rape by soldier does happen in Ogaden?.
06/20/07 @ 06:52
Comment from: Somali realist [Visitor]
Somali Ethiopian
Sure my friend. Facts are undeniable.
Sure my friend. Facts are undeniable.
06/20/07 @ 09:32
Comment from: Tewodros II [Visitor]
I dont have a single daughts in my mind, Woyane and his followers are responsible for all the crimes commited, at the same time the so called Libration Fronts are equaly responsibile for all what they did to our country Interest and crimes they commited against innocent civiline people. The justic is in the hands of Ethiopian people, when the time comes and it is coming I am shoor, we will punish each and every single one of them with out any merrcy once and for all. There will never be so called liberation front jokes in Ethiopia, they made us victum, expose us for danger, killed our innocent brothers and sisters using the name Ethiopia and its people. The game is over,They cheat us for years and years, they make our like misrable. They did busness in our name, they destroy our relationship, they destroy our love and peace. Those who were liberation fronts now they rule us and we see what they are doing. No more liberation front. Ethiopia is not going to be a killing field like Cambodia, Ruwnda, Yogoslavia etc. The people will elect and they elected their leaders. Our task is to put those ellected leaders in power. we shouldnt have any more agenda. as a people we know what is good for us and our future co-existance. The people of Ethiopia will rise up and judge. Nobody, no force will stand against the majority judgement. The judgement day is coming. we have to destroy to creat a a new chapter. It is scientific fact.. destroy the old and creat the new. we have to destroy all the dirt and virus among our people,we keep the good seeds befor we destroy the bad seeds. As I said, "we have to destroy to creat"The old apple (evil) has to go....
06/20/07 @ 12:00
Comment from: Gebre.M [Visitor]
This is evident of the current status of
ethiopia ,as an empire not a united
nation.........
what should be done about this?
ethiopia ,as an empire not a united
nation.........
what should be done about this?
06/21/07 @ 03:13
Comment from: bashka [Visitor]
nazret is not a trustfull media and it also post comments that insults muslims i really hope u realise what u are a bunch of uneducated amahara get a life
and yeah tewodros ur cristian will disapear alonge with ya dumb ass go and play with ur donkey in gonder or where eva u came from addisa abba is not even urs or shoud i call it fin fine oromia for life western occupied somalia for life viva all kushitic and muslim people down with extremisme like the tewedross
and yeah tewodros ur cristian will disapear alonge with ya dumb ass go and play with ur donkey in gonder or where eva u came from addisa abba is not even urs or shoud i call it fin fine oromia for life western occupied somalia for life viva all kushitic and muslim people down with extremisme like the tewedross
06/21/07 @ 06:50
Comment from: TheTruthHurtz [Visitor]
Nobody cares about human right violation when it comes to thier national interest. Not Ethiopian, not Palistinian, not Israeli, defenitly not American... So it's all about
the survival of the featist. Wake up and
smell the coffee!
06/21/07 @ 15:49
Comment from: Love_and_Peace [Visitor]
A very Sad Video -- but also a very twisted story. The Ethiopians did this and The Ethiopians did that!!! The Somali's in Ogaden Ethiopians. Period. They are poor mainly because the country is poor. And bandits in the area would not let workers get it. Let's face it. Any development project needs to include high rewards ro bandit leaders. Isn't it true that a bus trip from Jijiga to Gode needs a miltary convoy ? The Woyane is undemocratic/corrupt/selfish/ junta but atleast it built roads/power/telecom all over the country. Why is these didn't make it in Ogaden ? Let' face it. Safety is the main issue. One brings a gun and will be swiped off by a gun. Sorry the poor Somali/Ethiopians in Ogaden but Banditship is not the way. And get those incapable leadership in Diredawa. That region will only have hope with development. Just because It is on NY Times it does not mean it has the whole picture. I wish the best for the Ogaden people
06/22/07 @ 23:16
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