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Ethiopia - Presence of Ethiopian Troops Fuels Insurgency
In Somalia, Presence of Ethiopian Troops Fuels Insurgency, Humanitarian Crisis
By Alisha Ryu (VOA News)
Nairobi
19 December 2007
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The end of 2007 will mark the one-year anniversary of an Ethiopia-led offensive that ousted Somalia's Islamist movement from power and helped install a secular interim government in its place. As VOA Correspondent Alisha Ryu in our East Africa Bureau in Nairobi reports, the military action sparked a proxy war and an Iraq-style insurgency that have plunged Somalia into what the United Nations now calls the worst humanitarian crisis in Africa.
Ethiopian soldiers walk past a technical vehicle of the Islamic Courts movement in Mogadishu, 18 Jan 2007
Following Ethiopia's swift military victory over militiamen from Somalia's Islamic Courts Union in late December 2006, western nations urged Somalia's transitional federal government to initiate a genuine, broad-based national reconciliation process that could help end 16 years of war and lawlessness.
The United States, eager to keep radicals within the Islamic courts from making a political comeback, was especially vocal in calling for Somalia's internationally recognized-but-weak interim government to quickly work toward establishing grassroots support.
Assistant Secretary for African Affairs Jendayi Frazer (Jan 2007)
During a January press conference in the Kenyan capital Nairobi, U.S. Assistant Secretary of State for African Affairs Jendayi Frazer said the United States expected Somalia's transitional federal government leaders to do their best to heal and unite the country.
"We have made clear that we see a role in Somalia for all who renounce violence and extremism," said Jendayi Frazer. "Over the course of the last few days, I have encouraged the leadership to make clear through statements and actions their commitment to an inclusive process of dialogue and reconciliation. They should start with reconciliation amongst themselves."
Somalia's transitional federal government was formed in 2004, largely among rival factional leaders who had kept the country without a functioning government since 1991. By 2006, the transitional government was isolated in the provincial town of Baidoa, with the Islamic Courts Union having taken over most of south and central Somalia.
Many ordinary Somalis agreed that the transitional government, installed in the Somali capital Mogadishu in January 2007, would have to show unity and an ability to work together to gain public trust and confidence.
But soon after top government leaders took power in Mogadishu, clan divisions worsened as officials jockeyed for power and control over Somalia's finances, resources, and infrastructure.
At the same time, some of the ousted Islamic Courts leaders and other Somalis opposed to Ethiopia's intervention moved to Eritrea, Ethiopia's arch-rival in the region. In the Eritrean capital Asmara, they began forming an opposition with the backing of Eritrean President Issaias Afeworki.
Gunmen in Mogadishu (file photo)
The Asmara opposition group joined militant Somali Islamists in denouncing the transitional government and its chief backer, Ethiopia, which left tens of thousands of troops in Somalia to protect the fragile government.
The opposition vowed to fight the interim government until all Ethiopian troops leave Somalia.
In an interview with VOA earlier this year, a Somali political consultant working with the transitional government, Ali Abdullahi, said he was concerned that the Ethiopian presence in Somalia was damaging the credibility of the government.
"The biggest challenge is the Ethiopian presence in Somalia," said Ali Abdullahi. "They need to be replaced constructively by African Union forces. The time frame should be as quickly as possible."
The Ethiopian government in Addis Ababa had pledged to withdraw its troops once a full contingent of 8,000 peacekeepers from the African Union arrived in Somalia to take over security duties.
Ugandan peacekeepers on patrol in Mogadishu (May 2007)
But by March, only 1,500 soldiers from Uganda were deployed. Meanwhile, a full-blown, Iraq-style insurgency against the government and Ethiopia ignited in Mogadishu.
The rising insecurity deterred other African Union members from contributing troops to the peacekeeping mission.
Militant Islamic fighters supported by disgruntled members of Mogadishu's most dominant clan, the Hawiye, targeted Somali government officials, security forces and Ethiopian troops almost daily with mortars, rocket-propelled grenades, roadside bombs, and suicide attacks.
In response, the Ethiopian army conducted house-to-house searches for insurgents and weapons, and counter-attacked with tank fire on insurgent strongholds in heavily populated areas of the city.
Somali security forces made mass arrests and shut down businesses with clan ties to Islamists. They harassed journalists and media organizations, accusing them of siding with insurgents.
Meanwhile, a report issued in July by a U.N. monitoring group fueled fears that Somalia had become an Ethiopia-Eritrea war by proxy. The report accused Eritrea of secretly shipping weapons, including surface-to-air missiles, to radical Islamists in Somalia. Eritrea denied the report.
In a July interview with VOA, a Mogadishu resident, who identified himself as Nur, said many in the capital blamed the interim government and Ethiopia, not Eritrea, for causing chaos and suffering.
"Most of the people see the insurgents as freedom fighters," said Nur. "The problem of the government is that they might want to secure peace. But, on the other hand, they are creating more problems, more insecurity."
A victim of a mortar attack in Mogadishu, 17 Dec 2007
The violence in Mogadishu has killed and wounded thousands of civilians, and by November, more than one million Somalis had fled their homes.
The United Nations now believes that the conflict, combined with severe droughts and floods in other regions of the country, has created a humanitarian crisis that surpasses the disaster in the war-torn Darfur region of Sudan.
A Horn of Africa researcher for the London-based Amnesty International human rights group, Martin Hill, adds that the situation in Somalia has something in common with Darfur: allegations of widespread human rights violations by all sides in the conflict.
"The question of war crimes was documented by Human Rights Watch," said Martin Hill. "But very recently, the U.N. Secretary General's new representative for Somalia mentioned that these were crimes that could be investigated by the International Criminal Courts. The crimes we are talking about are killing of civilians, which are arbitrary and disproportionate, arbitrary arrests, extrajudicial executions, and disappearance of civilians."
The Washington Post newspaper reported earlier this month that a debate is taking place among decision makers in the Bush administration about whether to remain committed to Somalia's transitional federal government or to find another way to stabilize Somalia and the region.
51 comments
Comment from: coolman [Visitor]
May be it is better to withdraw and secure the border as good as possible. Let the Somali's fight it out themselves. If LFs continue to use Somalia as their base, they can be dealt with as Turkey is doing it with the Kurd rebels in North Iraq. I am no military man, just a thought of a concerned citizen who does not wish to see his brethren killed for nothing.
My worry is, Ato Meles can not order the pool out without uncle Sam's consent, which he does not get right now.
Peace
12/19/07 @ 11:10
Comment from: Z-Mike [Visitor]
Hey keep this trash report out... Mogadishu is more in peace today thanks to the brave Ethiopian military who is working hard to bring peace in Somalia. Somalians now have a freedom they have never seen before and the few who want the peace to fail are not going to see it happened. Eritrea has failed in all area and UIC will not see Somalia again. Somalians are supporting the ethiopian military and asking them not to live because they have realized Ethiopian military has done great job in bring safety to thier counrty. PEOPLE DON'T BELIEVE THR B/S FROM SOME OF THIS LIES... talk to some of the military person who has return from Mogadishu and they will tell you the truth...
Peace out
Z-Mike
Peace out
Z-Mike
12/19/07 @ 11:24
Comment from: Giyorgis [Visitor]
Coolman,
You are right!
It is time to let those crazy cousins of ours go their own way. Secure the border. If they get too crazy or become the hotspot for Al Queada, let Meles' Uncle Bush drop a bomb on them like he did Iraq. The Bush administration likes to fight long drawn out wars against crazy terrorists.
You are right!
It is time to let those crazy cousins of ours go their own way. Secure the border. If they get too crazy or become the hotspot for Al Queada, let Meles' Uncle Bush drop a bomb on them like he did Iraq. The Bush administration likes to fight long drawn out wars against crazy terrorists.
12/19/07 @ 11:35
Comment from: debebe [Visitor]
It was obvious from the get go. Fool Jendai Frazer and Zenawi celebrated "Mission accomplished" last year. But they created another Darfur in Africa. Zenawi managed to decive some clawens at the state department that he can stabilize (destabilize) Somalia within two weeks. It has been a year since Zenawi declared victory but he is cought in a bloody quagmire that he can not escape easily. People at the State department who authorized this foolish game must be held responsible. Zenawi must pull out his troops and the Somalis should be left to sort out thier differenec by themselves. As the UN representative said on Monday to the security council “I am convinced that, when left alone, Somalis are ready to join ranks and efforts to get their country back on its feet in the next few months.”
Ahmedou Ould-Abdallah, Special Representative of the Secretary-General.
Ahmedou Ould-Abdallah, Special Representative of the Secretary-General.
12/19/07 @ 11:59
Comment from: mesfin wedi adwa [Visitor]
death to woyane.
peace to the ppl of africa.
somalia, eritrea and the oppressed ppl of ethiopia will win.
meles stop killing the poor ppl of somalia, abide by the decicion of eebc, ....... and stop being the proxy of jendai frazer
ur days are numberd.
when isaias afeweriki starts the war you will be finised with a matter of days.
peace to the ppl of africa.
somalia, eritrea and the oppressed ppl of ethiopia will win.
meles stop killing the poor ppl of somalia, abide by the decicion of eebc, ....... and stop being the proxy of jendai frazer
ur days are numberd.
when isaias afeweriki starts the war you will be finised with a matter of days.
12/19/07 @ 12:04
Comment from: debebe [Visitor]
The real story--the great unfolding humanitarian disaster--continued. For the Somali people, Zenawi's invasion of December of 2006 could not have started at a worse time. Defeating the Union of Islamic Courts (UIC) and propping up the TFG; this was Zenawi's immediate rationale for violating Somalia. The larger goal? Forging a partnership between Washington and Zenawi in order to execute "war on terror". A year later, this mission has not been accomplished. Instead, the "war on terror" has become the terror of war being visited on the Somali people.
In Shell-Shocked, Human Rights Watch's August 2007 reports "our investigation of the March-April hostilities, we documented many of the most serious patterns of abuse by Ethiopian troops, such as indiscriminate attacks on civilians, summary executions and repeated targeting of hospitals," wrote Tom Malinowski, Washington Advocacy Director for Human Rights Watch, in an open letter to Secretary of Defense, Robert Gates.
In Shell-Shocked, Human Rights Watch's August 2007 reports "our investigation of the March-April hostilities, we documented many of the most serious patterns of abuse by Ethiopian troops, such as indiscriminate attacks on civilians, summary executions and repeated targeting of hospitals," wrote Tom Malinowski, Washington Advocacy Director for Human Rights Watch, in an open letter to Secretary of Defense, Robert Gates.
12/19/07 @ 12:08
Comment from: chu [Visitor]
What kind of freedom are you talking about Z-Mike? Think about it just 4 a second. You are saying that because you are Weyane or " Ethiopian" . What about if you are Somalian. What are you going to say?
This is what i am saying "kesew bate meleakt yebate seytan yesalale"
This is what i am saying "kesew bate meleakt yebate seytan yesalale"
12/19/07 @ 12:32
Comment from: Entna [Visitor]
mesfin wedi adwa,
to me you sound more like wedi Eri than wedi Adwa.
to me you sound more like wedi Eri than wedi Adwa.
12/19/07 @ 12:42
Comment from: Eshatu Daba [Visitor]
It is a contradiction Somalis to govern Somali, they did not for the last 17 years and they can't do it any time soon. It is a clan based society where there are not schools to produce rationality. It is a tyrannical dictator or a barbaric fanatics who will take all his freedom even to shave his beard or watch movie. What did if for the dictator was hanging the Sheiks and Clan leaders in public at the center of the business district. It is better to let them find what ever suit them and Ethiopia could hold any one who assumes any power responsible for any hostile action, with a devastating consequence. It is survival of the fittest like the animal kingdom in a country where one clan eats another. If it is not for the zero sum game of clanism, there is no country in Africa, where the peoples language, religion and nationality is the same to love one another and to live in peace. It should have been the most harmonious and peaceful land in the world, not of lawlessness and degeneration into a state less society of anarchists, where the people don't see a government they like, unless they are subjected by force and cruelty.
12/19/07 @ 12:51
Comment from: Semu [Visitor]
Z-Mike, I am wondering you are writing comments almost on all articles, do you have any thing to do except this? Have you ever been to Somalia? It looks like from your words you have been, that you are saying it is nice and peace in somalia. I Saw your comment about Ethiopian economy that it is blooming and people are living very good. May be that only for you, what about working people who didn't got even a single cent raise for the past 17 years? Is that waht you say people are happy? when you say some thing say just about you don't try to represent Ethiopian people.
Take care
Take care
12/19/07 @ 13:01
Comment from: Bele [Visitor]
Meles is boged down on Somalia, there is no moving out of Mogadischo. He does not have the guts to accept failer! He will wind up perishing in Mogadisho. Mogadisho is a night mare for the Americans, and it will be no different for Meles. Jenday Frezer may give him money but she will not save his ass, he should learn to do the LEGAL and CORRECT before it is too late. He knows oppresed people will never kneel down, no matter how strong the oppressor is. There will be time when Meles and his people will have no where to hide!! Take my word for it.
12/19/07 @ 13:10
Comment from: habesh [Visitor]
i support the back up plan. which is give somaliland statehood, then suround mogadishu with semiautonomous and stable ,secular regions like baidoa and puntland.
i am worried about ONLF using somalia, but my question is if mogadishu is surrounded by pro-ethiopia baidoa and puntland, even if ONLF uses mogadishu/central somalia, how can it attack ethiopia??
i don't think so.
so my advice is a 7 point plan
1- give somaliland statehood
2- strengthen baidoa, puntland and all surounding regions.
3- withdraw from mogadishu
4- destroy separatist ONLF backbone in ogaden and keep borders secure with pro-ethiopia somali regions
5- utilize secular somali diaspora and economically choke mogadishu/central somali
6- meanwhile, go to eritrea and take back asseb, change eritrean government and put pro-ethiopia, pro-TFG democratic eritrean government
7- then an allied eritrea/ethiopia/somaliland help the secular and by then economically stable baidoa and puntland take back mogadishu
good plan??
i am worried about ONLF using somalia, but my question is if mogadishu is surrounded by pro-ethiopia baidoa and puntland, even if ONLF uses mogadishu/central somalia, how can it attack ethiopia??
i don't think so.
so my advice is a 7 point plan
1- give somaliland statehood
2- strengthen baidoa, puntland and all surounding regions.
3- withdraw from mogadishu
4- destroy separatist ONLF backbone in ogaden and keep borders secure with pro-ethiopia somali regions
5- utilize secular somali diaspora and economically choke mogadishu/central somali
6- meanwhile, go to eritrea and take back asseb, change eritrean government and put pro-ethiopia, pro-TFG democratic eritrean government
7- then an allied eritrea/ethiopia/somaliland help the secular and by then economically stable baidoa and puntland take back mogadishu
good plan??
12/19/07 @ 13:11
Comment from: teshome [Visitor]
This is not a true report. It is an opinion of Alisha and Jeffery somewhere in kenya that in coffee room or probably in bed.
12/19/07 @ 13:22
Comment from: Abdu Yimam [Visitor]
Mefin wedi adwa,
Are you Eritreans claiming Adwa as well like badime as part of Eritrea or what? You are a high blown (lost in identity) Eritrean and here you are trying to sound a concerned Ethiopian. You can't fool us, may be you are good at fooling your self. Look where you, and your beloved Eritrea is at now. you guys are a laughing stock. Dengay ras
Are you Eritreans claiming Adwa as well like badime as part of Eritrea or what? You are a high blown (lost in identity) Eritrean and here you are trying to sound a concerned Ethiopian. You can't fool us, may be you are good at fooling your self. Look where you, and your beloved Eritrea is at now. you guys are a laughing stock. Dengay ras
12/19/07 @ 13:25
Comment from: eritrean [Visitor] 
maybe its for good to leave the so called somali alone. it dont matter whats the cause should respect one another. let them deal with their problem since more hate
12/19/07 @ 13:42
Comment from: Death to Weyane [Visitor]
Is it already one year since the tyrant Weyane invade Somalia? I thought Meles said he withdraw from Somalia within 2 weeks. If Meles withdraw from Somalia, UIC will follow him to Addis Ababa that is for sure. Poor meles in trouble now! I feel sorry for the Tigray people when the Weyane regime destroyed.
12/19/07 @ 13:45
Comment from: Death to Weyane [Visitor]
Hey Weyene Z-Mike,
"talk to some of the military person who has return from Mogadishu and they will tell you the truth" have you talked any Agazi members who has return from Mogadisho and they say Mogadisho has better peace than Asmara? Probably they will tell you they killed thousands civilians and raped thousands, that's all! I wish you Mekele to be like Mogadisho, if Mogadisho is peace.
"talk to some of the military person who has return from Mogadishu and they will tell you the truth" have you talked any Agazi members who has return from Mogadisho and they say Mogadisho has better peace than Asmara? Probably they will tell you they killed thousands civilians and raped thousands, that's all! I wish you Mekele to be like Mogadisho, if Mogadisho is peace.
12/19/07 @ 14:38
Comment from: ALEM [Visitor]
Ethiopan force are their to help somlia. UIC will be destroyed. Somalia will be free from this bad elements, and remeber Ethiopia is the one who stock their resource, life for the freedom of Somalia people. Before somila new gov't, their was no rule or law in the country. Thanks for ethiopians they have some kind of law right now and gov't. Look instead of complaining about Etiopians , what don't the world help sending troops to somilia. we will be happy to remove our force from thier, and we will replace new Ertrians gov't.
12/19/07 @ 14:46
Comment from: woyane [Visitor]
The adventure of the " shifta's of Tigray in Somalia is a curse and a disaster to Melees and his TPLF gangs. It is just disgusting to boast about the massacre of Somalia civilians, the Ogaden people, the Oromo people and the Benshangul people under the pretext of terror at the horn of Africa. All these madness of the TPLF gangs has created despair and helplessness to the people of Ethiopia who are non Tigray ethnics.
In the lonely planet of Melees and his TPLF mafia’s, to cling to power in Ethiopia is just to use the rule of iron fist which is the opposite of genuine universal democracy. The reign of terror in Ethiopia exhibits the insane mentality of Melees and his TPLF gangs.
ATTENTION” ALL NON TIGRAY ETHNICS OF ETHIOPIA WHO SERVE IN THE ARMY, NEVER SHADE A DROOP OF BLOOD TO THE RECKLESS WAR OF THE WOYANE’S. DEFECT THE ARMY WHEN EVER POSSIBLE AND RATHER TURN THE GUNS TO THOSE WHO LET YOU PERISH FOR NOTHING.
THE DAYS OF THESE GADAMN BLOODY BUCHERS IS SOON OVER. WE WILL DRIVE THE TPLF MAFIA’S TO THEIR BARREN PROVINCE SO THAT THEY COULD FEED THEMSELVES WITH “QOLLOO” AND NEVER BOAST ON RICH RESOURSE OF ETHIOPIA. WE FIND THE RICH RESOURSES IN OROMIA REGIONS, IN SIDAMA REGIONS IN AMHARA REGIONS,AND OTHER REGIONS BUT NEVER IN TIGRAY. YOU HAVE NOTHING TO ABOUT, YOU ARE JUST BLOODY PARACITES.
In the lonely planet of Melees and his TPLF mafia’s, to cling to power in Ethiopia is just to use the rule of iron fist which is the opposite of genuine universal democracy. The reign of terror in Ethiopia exhibits the insane mentality of Melees and his TPLF gangs.
ATTENTION” ALL NON TIGRAY ETHNICS OF ETHIOPIA WHO SERVE IN THE ARMY, NEVER SHADE A DROOP OF BLOOD TO THE RECKLESS WAR OF THE WOYANE’S. DEFECT THE ARMY WHEN EVER POSSIBLE AND RATHER TURN THE GUNS TO THOSE WHO LET YOU PERISH FOR NOTHING.
THE DAYS OF THESE GADAMN BLOODY BUCHERS IS SOON OVER. WE WILL DRIVE THE TPLF MAFIA’S TO THEIR BARREN PROVINCE SO THAT THEY COULD FEED THEMSELVES WITH “QOLLOO” AND NEVER BOAST ON RICH RESOURSE OF ETHIOPIA. WE FIND THE RICH RESOURSES IN OROMIA REGIONS, IN SIDAMA REGIONS IN AMHARA REGIONS,AND OTHER REGIONS BUT NEVER IN TIGRAY. YOU HAVE NOTHING TO ABOUT, YOU ARE JUST BLOODY PARACITES.
12/19/07 @ 15:05
Comment from: gergud [Visitor]
ke somali tera eritrea
ke mogadishu wede asmara
keza bewhala ema beselam menor
ethiopian malmat begara
once again i want to tell
the groups of hate ,the people you call weyane are on the driver seat they driving
ethiopia to super high way development,
high education.
ke mogadishu wede asmara
keza bewhala ema beselam menor
ethiopian malmat begara
once again i want to tell
the groups of hate ,the people you call weyane are on the driver seat they driving
ethiopia to super high way development,
high education.
12/19/07 @ 16:06
Comment from: Yeha [Visitor]
teshome,
You are right this report is coming from somewhere perhaps in Keneya, rather the truth within Somalia. Guess what? who knows perhaps this is the other way around from New York Times reporter Jeffery asha.
Teshome I got your message from the other war front. What I say was true and today is reality about the donkoro ayashashu anseba shabia blind individuals supporters. Keep on fight for those half brain self distructed diaspora who aims are destroying our beautiful country image as much as they can.
Fighting is the only option we have left as same as what we had been done for 17 years until their legs were cut off once for all. Same here brother.
Yekenilay zehawey.Selam ma'ality...Yeha
You are right this report is coming from somewhere perhaps in Keneya, rather the truth within Somalia. Guess what? who knows perhaps this is the other way around from New York Times reporter Jeffery asha.
Teshome I got your message from the other war front. What I say was true and today is reality about the donkoro ayashashu anseba shabia blind individuals supporters. Keep on fight for those half brain self distructed diaspora who aims are destroying our beautiful country image as much as they can.
Fighting is the only option we have left as same as what we had been done for 17 years until their legs were cut off once for all. Same here brother.
Yekenilay zehawey.Selam ma'ality...Yeha
12/19/07 @ 16:38
Comment from: Yeha [Visitor]
eritrean,
what do you know about respecting others? this mess comes from you so called fake Eritrea. You do not have no business go to Somalia and helping those animal insurgent to destroyed our beautiful country Ethiopia, by means in direct war with our interests. Ethiopia has the right to fight for her right whenever whatever whoever she chosen to for respecting her right at any times.
Watch out today in Somalia and tomorrow will be turned to your stupid neck. I am sure you are waiting to be eating alive.
Death to Weyane,
don't you worry this is not your bucher Mengistu army. This is the real pour Ethiopian army based on the suprior commander of the north the historical people of the country. Tegbaben? Yeha
what do you know about respecting others? this mess comes from you so called fake Eritrea. You do not have no business go to Somalia and helping those animal insurgent to destroyed our beautiful country Ethiopia, by means in direct war with our interests. Ethiopia has the right to fight for her right whenever whatever whoever she chosen to for respecting her right at any times.
Watch out today in Somalia and tomorrow will be turned to your stupid neck. I am sure you are waiting to be eating alive.
Death to Weyane,
don't you worry this is not your bucher Mengistu army. This is the real pour Ethiopian army based on the suprior commander of the north the historical people of the country. Tegbaben? Yeha
12/19/07 @ 16:56
Comment from: Shirwa [Visitor]
Those who are planning for Somals to divide and rule,it is nightmare somali particularly the great Somali ideology is still a live and soon will be stand on its feet.Ethiopia is heading in the right direction of disintegration and fragmentation with a good driver (Melles:as enginer + Driver).He will be the last primer ministery of Ethiopia and h will enjoy the fruits of dismissing the so called vague unity.Thanks to him and he is willing to leave the office not by pen but by bullet, becouse the bullet is the only means of getting power in Africa ( The Ethiopian case EPRDF come to power by its weapon) not gift or the choice of the people.
12/19/07 @ 17:09
Comment from: Z-Mike [Visitor]
CHU, I am saying the freedom most Somalains are enjoying in Mogadishu today unlike before most people there are saying they don¡¦t want the Ethiopian troops to leave. This is coming from Somalis themselves and some of our soldiers who served there for 11mns. Of course you luck common sense to understand about Ethiopian military. As an Ethiopian you labeled me us someone that you don¡¦t like but you should know better there is only one Ethiopian and... All Ethiopians are equal no matter what you think or believe¡KSomalis are also our brothers and sisters and soon they will be up on their own taking care of their nation. All you have to
SEMU, I am glad you ask the question: yes I do have job and I don¡¦t relay on others my friend. Why taking care of myself I share my views with fellow Ethiopians despite my political views or difference. I¡¦d ask you to re-read my comment you saw about Ethiopian economy. I said Ethiopia is booming and soon it will lead Africa. I did not say all Ethiopians are living rich or all are living happy¡K you get it? Ethiopians are working hard to build our nation and we all know there is long road ahead to make Ethiopia great¡KEthiopians have lived better in the past 17 yrs than what you other claimed to be. Certainly, they have the freedom to do and say what they wish, and they are more united than before. Remember the safety of our nation is part of the economy to build and move to better future. When there is safety and security your nation will be in great shape¡KGood day to you SEMU¡K
DEMEK changing your name to {death to Weyane} won¡¦t do you any good. Stay real ERI boy and say in your cave. We are coming to your rescue. AlEM said, the Ethiopian military will destroy UIC and assist Somalis to build their nation. Eritrean will become history in the story when we start bombing the shit of it. Don¡¦t underestimate your enemy Z-Mike. „º This message is for all the ERI mafias¡K
SEMU, I am glad you ask the question: yes I do have job and I don¡¦t relay on others my friend. Why taking care of myself I share my views with fellow Ethiopians despite my political views or difference. I¡¦d ask you to re-read my comment you saw about Ethiopian economy. I said Ethiopia is booming and soon it will lead Africa. I did not say all Ethiopians are living rich or all are living happy¡K you get it? Ethiopians are working hard to build our nation and we all know there is long road ahead to make Ethiopia great¡KEthiopians have lived better in the past 17 yrs than what you other claimed to be. Certainly, they have the freedom to do and say what they wish, and they are more united than before. Remember the safety of our nation is part of the economy to build and move to better future. When there is safety and security your nation will be in great shape¡KGood day to you SEMU¡K
DEMEK changing your name to {death to Weyane} won¡¦t do you any good. Stay real ERI boy and say in your cave. We are coming to your rescue. AlEM said, the Ethiopian military will destroy UIC and assist Somalis to build their nation. Eritrean will become history in the story when we start bombing the shit of it. Don¡¦t underestimate your enemy Z-Mike. „º This message is for all the ERI mafias¡K
12/19/07 @ 17:21
Comment from: Death to Weyane [Visitor]
Hey Z-Mike, just be ready within a weeks Eritrean mig-29 destroy your dirty Mekele and adigirat. Even nothing to bomb in Tigray. If Shaebia coming this time there will be no mercy for any Tigrayean begger.
12/19/07 @ 17:45
Comment from: philly [Visitor]
z-mike, yeah all woyane agents at nazret
you are all blinde woyane agents who will support anything meles says. please keep yr sorry ideas to your self. Tplf thugs you're naked to the truth you can't hide anymore. your days are numbred. we will hange meles like saddam
you are all blinde woyane agents who will support anything meles says. please keep yr sorry ideas to your self. Tplf thugs you're naked to the truth you can't hide anymore. your days are numbred. we will hange meles like saddam
12/19/07 @ 18:08
Comment from: M.T. [Visitor]
We must come back to our territorial posts - standing. If Americans are hated for their occupation in Asia and the Near East, they can compensate the ills they have caused with their fortunes, buying favors for their critics - even the larger populace that opposes their presence in their land can happily receive American aids and food, and cool refreshments and idyllic recreations. It is a civilization we admire and a might we can't equal. Actually, Iraqis and Afghanis, although very very desperate for Peace, but they have no malnutrition, hunger and big social crisis like our neighbor, Somalia. Somalia is pity. I am sad for the griefs of Somalis that were put in almost for twenty odd years. Instead of becoming their cure we have become their ailment. Without wanting to be. We should not help, and can't help the TG of Somalia forever. If it was a powerful political coalition supported by its own peoples, it could have won this war. It hasn't. Now it must come back to Baidowa where its strong base is, or settle differences where it is now with the rest of the current political power brokers - it must know how. This is clan politics plus political islam. It must have pretty some ideas about it.
Now, neither do i want our soldiers to die nor the int'l community to badmouth and stops supporting us. We have hit - a record high - big media criticism while co-administering some bodies courtyard when we our selves seek international aid. And we are on the receiving end of it all - development, science and health achievement. These things have their own war and endurance. Shall we instead concentrate on those difficult performances or fall off from the precipices and disappear into the sand storm - in the Halimas, as desert dwellers call it?
peace
Now, neither do i want our soldiers to die nor the int'l community to badmouth and stops supporting us. We have hit - a record high - big media criticism while co-administering some bodies courtyard when we our selves seek international aid. And we are on the receiving end of it all - development, science and health achievement. These things have their own war and endurance. Shall we instead concentrate on those difficult performances or fall off from the precipices and disappear into the sand storm - in the Halimas, as desert dwellers call it?
peace
12/19/07 @ 18:27
Comment from: chu [Visitor]
Z-mike
Thank you for responding my Q. so i am going to pay you a jok. here...
The number twelve goes to a bar
A number twelve walks into a bar and asks the barman for a pint of beer.
"Sorry I can't serve you," states the barman.
"Why not?!" asks the number twelve with anger showing in its voice.
"You're under 18," replies the barman.
Thank you for responding my Q. so i am going to pay you a jok. here...
The number twelve goes to a bar
A number twelve walks into a bar and asks the barman for a pint of beer.
"Sorry I can't serve you," states the barman.
"Why not?!" asks the number twelve with anger showing in its voice.
"You're under 18," replies the barman.
12/19/07 @ 19:02
Comment from: shabab [Visitor]
this stupid meles has started the
destroying of ethopia he loves money
more than his people. like the somali
war lords. we shabab our people loves
us that is why we created peace in
somalia. i feel sory for your soldiers
who are crying in the streets of
mogadishu. for what are they fighting
this weyanes are destabelizising the
whole of the horn africa. so weyane
wait your turn when we finish your
soldiers in mogadishu.
destroying of ethopia he loves money
more than his people. like the somali
war lords. we shabab our people loves
us that is why we created peace in
somalia. i feel sory for your soldiers
who are crying in the streets of
mogadishu. for what are they fighting
this weyanes are destabelizising the
whole of the horn africa. so weyane
wait your turn when we finish your
soldiers in mogadishu.
12/19/07 @ 19:28
fuck you etheopia
Comment from: yahye [Visitor]
" UIC will not see Somalia again. "
UIC is Somalia and Somalia is UIC. Only ignorant fools think otherwise.
"
Misled Woyanne kid wrote:
Somalians are supporting the ethiopian military and asking them not to live because they have realized Ethiopian military has done great job in bring safety to thier counrty."
1 year later:
*Thousands of Ethiopian millitias dead .
T*wice that number of Somalis also lost their lives.
*More than 1 million fled Mogadishu and are waiting hand outs outside of the capital.
*80% of Somalia is in the hands of the insurgents.
*Your Woyanne militias hide-outs are attaced day and night in Mogadishu and the few supply routes.
You are either woefully ignorant to the facts on the ground or a willfuly disingenuous Woyanne drifter. In both cases, you are only deceiving your sorry ******.
Remember, we are not in a Woyanne mafia run Ethiopia.
UIC is Somalia and Somalia is UIC. Only ignorant fools think otherwise.
"
Misled Woyanne kid wrote:
Somalians are supporting the ethiopian military and asking them not to live because they have realized Ethiopian military has done great job in bring safety to thier counrty."
1 year later:
*Thousands of Ethiopian millitias dead .
T*wice that number of Somalis also lost their lives.
*More than 1 million fled Mogadishu and are waiting hand outs outside of the capital.
*80% of Somalia is in the hands of the insurgents.
*Your Woyanne militias hide-outs are attaced day and night in Mogadishu and the few supply routes.
You are either woefully ignorant to the facts on the ground or a willfuly disingenuous Woyanne drifter. In both cases, you are only deceiving your sorry ******.
Remember, we are not in a Woyanne mafia run Ethiopia.
12/19/07 @ 20:52
Comment from: elron [Visitor]
For those who doubt the bravery and intentions of ethiopian troops "The fact is they(ethiopians) have a very strong and a very powerful and so far disciplined national army that made pretty short work of the Eritreans in 2000 and the Eritreans have not forgotten that," he said (source :By Peter Heinlein, VOA | December 18, 2007 )
12/19/07 @ 22:01
Comment from: nebro [Visitor]
Z-Mike please find a job instead of bullshiting like a scared kid.
12/19/07 @ 23:08
Comment from: Z-Mike [Visitor]
PHILLY,
You luck maturity to discuss with your fellow Ethiopians. You’re talking tough with your empty mind. Most of you chicken heads are big when it comes to crying like babies. on the other hand Meles is the real man rolling on the top of the world… There is no need to spend time teaching deaf people like who are always looking for anything to blame the gov’t. Ethiopia is looking forward unlike you Mr. Philly. Your backwardness won’t deter us from strengthening our military and building our economy at the same time. I can tell you I am proud to be Ethiopian and to support EPRDF…EPRDF is the best tool for Ethiopia… no need for me to explain further.
CHU,
Your joke is accepted accept you need to work on your joke so I can laugh. Perhaps, watching BET might assist you to pull a few jokes because laugh is always good. Take care buddy…
To the SHAEBIAN boys, rest assure you soon you will be dealt with. Your days are number your lies are coming to an end with your master in ASMARA. Will throw you to the open sea and free your innocent people where are suffering in the hands of Issa-ASS.
You luck maturity to discuss with your fellow Ethiopians. You’re talking tough with your empty mind. Most of you chicken heads are big when it comes to crying like babies. on the other hand Meles is the real man rolling on the top of the world… There is no need to spend time teaching deaf people like who are always looking for anything to blame the gov’t. Ethiopia is looking forward unlike you Mr. Philly. Your backwardness won’t deter us from strengthening our military and building our economy at the same time. I can tell you I am proud to be Ethiopian and to support EPRDF…EPRDF is the best tool for Ethiopia… no need for me to explain further.
CHU,
Your joke is accepted accept you need to work on your joke so I can laugh. Perhaps, watching BET might assist you to pull a few jokes because laugh is always good. Take care buddy…
To the SHAEBIAN boys, rest assure you soon you will be dealt with. Your days are number your lies are coming to an end with your master in ASMARA. Will throw you to the open sea and free your innocent people where are suffering in the hands of Issa-ASS.
12/19/07 @ 23:29
Comment from: Aba Jaffar Aba Gobbu [Visitor]
Hellow Friends and My Country Fellows,
It is very sad that Ethiopians and Ethiopia is used as USA mercinary. Ethiopia has never invaded another country in her history.
The woyane bandas has brought disgrace on Ethiopia.
The somalis should solve their problems. No one has the right to dictate or impose democracy on them.
The woyane bandas and their masters, the USA ar responsible for genocide and crimes against humanity in Somalia as well as in the Ethiopian Ogdaden district.
Bothe shall be brought to justice.
Ethiopia Prevails.
AG
It is very sad that Ethiopians and Ethiopia is used as USA mercinary. Ethiopia has never invaded another country in her history.
The woyane bandas has brought disgrace on Ethiopia.
The somalis should solve their problems. No one has the right to dictate or impose democracy on them.
The woyane bandas and their masters, the USA ar responsible for genocide and crimes against humanity in Somalia as well as in the Ethiopian Ogdaden district.
Bothe shall be brought to justice.
Ethiopia Prevails.
AG
12/20/07 @ 06:38
Comment from: Semu [Visitor]
The-Mike I don't hate any body, for his/hre view, just I want to understand your idea. to hate any body for his view won't get us any where, I think we have to learn to oppose or support with respect to each other. Oposing good gains just for the sake of opposing or supporting bad actions with closed eyes are the biggest enemies of our nation.
sorry if I ofended you.
God Bless Our Nation and Country.
sorry if I ofended you.
God Bless Our Nation and Country.
12/20/07 @ 14:40
Comment from: nebro [Visitor]
Z-Mike Can you please give it a rest and work on yourself, like taking ESL classes and some brain tuning.
12/20/07 @ 17:10
Comment from: kwe [Visitor]
"The Ethiopian Forces presence in Somalia is fueling the insurgency."This is what we hear on the news,its absurd and rediccules when even the Americans are falling for this.Why the Somalis want the Ethiopian troops out?Its hard to fight the Ethiopians but easy to fight the presence Somali government and other African forces,easy for the insurgents to overthrow the government and kick out the African forces.Troops from Uganda,Burundi,Nigeria and other African countries are no match for the Insurgency in Somalia.If Ethiopian Troops are out no force can stop them from seizing power in Somalia.After they seize power they will install Taliban like Isslamic govrnment,and now East Africa and then the whole Africa
will be destabilized.If this happens Ethiopia is the most to loose, therefore its in our national interest to watch whats happening in Somalia.We have the power and the means to defend ourselves.When thy don't respect our territorial integrity and come at us to divide us they will always loose,look at Somalia today divided into many pieces.If Somalia don't need our friendship we could be their worst enemies, the choice is theirs.
will be destabilized.If this happens Ethiopia is the most to loose, therefore its in our national interest to watch whats happening in Somalia.We have the power and the means to defend ourselves.When thy don't respect our territorial integrity and come at us to divide us they will always loose,look at Somalia today divided into many pieces.If Somalia don't need our friendship we could be their worst enemies, the choice is theirs.
12/20/07 @ 18:22
Comment from: philly [Visitor]
z-mike
you're indeed one sorry human being..i am ashamed you're ethiopian and your rubber stump for meles..i've never heard you critizie anyting meles does. how real are you?
you're indeed one sorry human being..i am ashamed you're ethiopian and your rubber stump for meles..i've never heard you critizie anyting meles does. how real are you?
12/20/07 @ 18:31
Comment from: Z-Mike [Visitor]
Nazret moderator,
Please remove or censor the F word by this person:
{Comment from: Dr sadat mubarak}
there is no way profanity should be allowed to be posted by some who cannot addressed their concerns in a civilized minor.
The comment should not have been posted when he/she uses foul languages to express his/her feelings. We can express and share our views but profanity ought to be filtered out.
“Comments must be relevant to the topic and always use appropriate language. ie (no Bilgena) Read Terms and Condition”
Thank you,
Z-Mike
Please remove or censor the F word by this person:
{Comment from: Dr sadat mubarak}
there is no way profanity should be allowed to be posted by some who cannot addressed their concerns in a civilized minor.
The comment should not have been posted when he/she uses foul languages to express his/her feelings. We can express and share our views but profanity ought to be filtered out.
“Comments must be relevant to the topic and always use appropriate language. ie (no Bilgena) Read Terms and Condition”
Thank you,
Z-Mike
12/21/07 @ 00:31
Comment from: Husssein [Visitor]
Habesh,
Not bad your 7 points plan. May I add one more, please.
8) After giving Somaliland statehood, why not even Oganden? So we'll have 5 Somali states.
Somalia
Djibouti
Somalialand
Ogaden
NFD (North Kenya)
Good boy.
Hussein.
Not bad your 7 points plan. May I add one more, please.
8) After giving Somaliland statehood, why not even Oganden? So we'll have 5 Somali states.
Somalia
Djibouti
Somalialand
Ogaden
NFD (North Kenya)
Good boy.
Hussein.
12/21/07 @ 05:54
Comment from: Ghion [Visitor]
Another, manipulative, destructive,preposterous and mischievously written analysts of some sort,by disgruntled group of lunatic individuals trying to make a 17 years long lawless Somalia worst than it is.
12/21/07 @ 08:39
Comment from: Z-Mike [Visitor]
Philly,
I reality I am dealing with Eritrean rat... you may continue to cry why we build our nation.
The rest of you Shaebian CATS, not worth to rely to your stupid comments. you camel milk might be running low and your starving ppl will soon start flooding to our nation... think about it
I reality I am dealing with Eritrean rat... you may continue to cry why we build our nation.
The rest of you Shaebian CATS, not worth to rely to your stupid comments. you camel milk might be running low and your starving ppl will soon start flooding to our nation... think about it
12/21/07 @ 22:20
Comment from: Seleme [Visitor]
Yeha $ ZMike,
Your Master Evil adventurism and recklessness put our brave soldiers in the quagmire. As Ive told you before from the very beginning of this war, especially to you Yeha that the your Evil Master will fell down in the "Ravine of Fire" where he deserved for.
My point is your Evil Master has lack of "War Plan".
Mr. "Coolman" says right, your Evil Master cant do anything while Mr. Bush enjoying his horseback riding with your Master Evil back.
Yeha, almost a year your "mission accomplished" justified how stupid puppet you are. . . cant you see those killed helpless innocent civilians and brave soldiers? . . .
And almost a year . . . we again and again saying that. . ."Send Back Our Troops NOWWWWW!!!"
12/22/07 @ 01:34
Comment from: Z-Mike [Visitor]
SELEME,
What is your proposal about the Somalia/Ethiopia issues? I am willing to discuss anything you have in mind. As far as the peace in Somalia, its clear Somalis are better off today than under the 17 year ethnical divisions and killings they had gone through. I presumed you’re calling Meles the evil which I can care less but you are little clown and your head is on fire because you don’t see me respect other points of views. What is BUSH got to do with Somalia? Ethiopian troops went to Somalia to get to read of 1 UIC, 2 ONLF, 3 Eritrean thugs who came to train those terror groups in hope to destabilized Ethiopia. I speak the truth and for myself. Meles does not need me or you to assist him. He is the leader who is managed the nation greatly and he’ll keep on building our nation’s economy why you clowns cry foul for everything.
Whether or not you like Ethiopian military is not going to leave Somalia until Somalis get on their feet and build good defense system to take care of their nation. What war plan are you talking about? You act like Jeffery “slave” since he is crack-head white boy or you possibly might be his puppet. Get reality check, there is no war in Somalis. Some of the UIC are hiding among the civilians and attempting to create havoc to the general public. If they want to fight they can take it to the open field and fight otherwise, wearing dress and looking women during the day and fire bullets in the dark night and hiding again like a women does not make them fighters. Ethiopia went to Somalia on December 24th, 2006 and within the 1st week it killed more than 3,000 terorrist who thought they can fight the brave Ethiopian military. What a joke, Eritrea even thought their 5,000 children can fight but later found out they were died fishes.
So, I say to you bring on your proposal and lets talk…
Take care
Z-mike
What is your proposal about the Somalia/Ethiopia issues? I am willing to discuss anything you have in mind. As far as the peace in Somalia, its clear Somalis are better off today than under the 17 year ethnical divisions and killings they had gone through. I presumed you’re calling Meles the evil which I can care less but you are little clown and your head is on fire because you don’t see me respect other points of views. What is BUSH got to do with Somalia? Ethiopian troops went to Somalia to get to read of 1 UIC, 2 ONLF, 3 Eritrean thugs who came to train those terror groups in hope to destabilized Ethiopia. I speak the truth and for myself. Meles does not need me or you to assist him. He is the leader who is managed the nation greatly and he’ll keep on building our nation’s economy why you clowns cry foul for everything.
Whether or not you like Ethiopian military is not going to leave Somalia until Somalis get on their feet and build good defense system to take care of their nation. What war plan are you talking about? You act like Jeffery “slave” since he is crack-head white boy or you possibly might be his puppet. Get reality check, there is no war in Somalis. Some of the UIC are hiding among the civilians and attempting to create havoc to the general public. If they want to fight they can take it to the open field and fight otherwise, wearing dress and looking women during the day and fire bullets in the dark night and hiding again like a women does not make them fighters. Ethiopia went to Somalia on December 24th, 2006 and within the 1st week it killed more than 3,000 terorrist who thought they can fight the brave Ethiopian military. What a joke, Eritrea even thought their 5,000 children can fight but later found out they were died fishes.
So, I say to you bring on your proposal and lets talk…
Take care
Z-mike
12/22/07 @ 04:11
Comment from: Aba Tigist [Visitor]
Ethiopia went into Somalia mainly for its own security and economic interest. The plan by Shabia was to strangle Ethiopia by empowering UIC and dismantling friendly somali states like Somaliland and deny Ethiopia access to sea through the port of Berbera, which Ethiopia Enjoys now. The idea then was to spread the Jihadist insurgency to Djibouti. You remember the Jibouti president was pro UIC before Ethiopia took action.
Besides a Somali commenter on this web site said that of the 16 districs in Mogadishu only 3 are infected, and he said that if Ethiopi withdraws things would be worse for Somalia and worser for Ethiopia. So Mogadishu is not as bad as Ethiopia's enemies (there are many, like Shabia.. Egypt's hired banda)
So Ethiopia should stand fast in Somalia for the sake of somalia's and its own security. Turning the other cheek does not pay in this day and age.
Long live Ethiopia
Besides a Somali commenter on this web site said that of the 16 districs in Mogadishu only 3 are infected, and he said that if Ethiopi withdraws things would be worse for Somalia and worser for Ethiopia. So Mogadishu is not as bad as Ethiopia's enemies (there are many, like Shabia.. Egypt's hired banda)
So Ethiopia should stand fast in Somalia for the sake of somalia's and its own security. Turning the other cheek does not pay in this day and age.
Long live Ethiopia
12/22/07 @ 22:44
Comment from: Seleme [Visitor]
Z-Mike,
The real enemy of our country is inside our land, you get my point? . . . if our capabilities are strong enough to depend our country by protecting our borders to any UIC and terrorists, why we bring our troops outside our land? while we still struggling hungers, floods and other internal issues?
Can you tell us how much the cost of thiis expensive war? while our hungry people having empty foodplates?
Man, we need our soldiers back NOW!!!
. . . lastly, dont ever scared with your own shadow. . . this is no good for you and your Evil Master. . .
The real enemy of our country is inside our land, you get my point? . . . if our capabilities are strong enough to depend our country by protecting our borders to any UIC and terrorists, why we bring our troops outside our land? while we still struggling hungers, floods and other internal issues?
Can you tell us how much the cost of thiis expensive war? while our hungry people having empty foodplates?
Man, we need our soldiers back NOW!!!
. . . lastly, dont ever scared with your own shadow. . . this is no good for you and your Evil Master. . .
12/22/07 @ 23:30
Comment from: samsin [Visitor]
how many life are u expecting to loose. poor ethiopians, ur life is cheap.
12/23/07 @ 00:13
Comment from: Z-Mike [Visitor]
SELEME,
You did not answer the question¡K what is your proposal since you don¡¦t agree with our military defending us from our enemies¡K We don¡¦t have enemies inside Ethiopia and we are not going to wait until we¡¦re attacked when UIC clearly declared Jihad on us. We most act and destroy any enemy that says ¡¥We are going to murder Ethiopian women and children in the street of Addis¡¨. „º This were the words from the terror group who where trained by Eritrea and hosting the ONLF in Mogadishu.
Now, as far as the cost in Somalia, it¡¦s not your business to now how much it¡¦s costing us to fight terrorism. The bottom line is that we kept the terror groups out of business at whatever cost. AU is working with PM MELES to encourage more African peacekeeping troops to be deployed. Today {SUNDAY} Burundi¡¦s 100 soldiers have arrived in Mogadishu and soon the rest of the 1,600 will be deployed there to assist Somalis. Once the AU gets at least 4,000 0f the 8,000 peacekeepers on the ground Ethiopian will pull more of its troops back but not completely as we need to protect the gov¡¦t there. If the AU deploys all 8,000 peacekeepers and can demonstrate they can do the job without Ethiopian troops than Ethiopian soldiers will be on a stand by and some will assist to train Somalian defense forces.
Take care,
Z-Mike
You did not answer the question¡K what is your proposal since you don¡¦t agree with our military defending us from our enemies¡K We don¡¦t have enemies inside Ethiopia and we are not going to wait until we¡¦re attacked when UIC clearly declared Jihad on us. We most act and destroy any enemy that says ¡¥We are going to murder Ethiopian women and children in the street of Addis¡¨. „º This were the words from the terror group who where trained by Eritrea and hosting the ONLF in Mogadishu.
Now, as far as the cost in Somalia, it¡¦s not your business to now how much it¡¦s costing us to fight terrorism. The bottom line is that we kept the terror groups out of business at whatever cost. AU is working with PM MELES to encourage more African peacekeeping troops to be deployed. Today {SUNDAY} Burundi¡¦s 100 soldiers have arrived in Mogadishu and soon the rest of the 1,600 will be deployed there to assist Somalis. Once the AU gets at least 4,000 0f the 8,000 peacekeepers on the ground Ethiopian will pull more of its troops back but not completely as we need to protect the gov¡¦t there. If the AU deploys all 8,000 peacekeepers and can demonstrate they can do the job without Ethiopian troops than Ethiopian soldiers will be on a stand by and some will assist to train Somalian defense forces.
Take care,
Z-Mike
12/24/07 @ 03:00
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