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11/11/12

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Ethiopia: Damn The 'colonial-era agreement' on the use of Nile

Tis Abya Falls Ethiopia Photo Giustino for Water Tehchnology.net

Ethiopia: Damn The 'colonial-era agreement' on the use of Nile

nazret.com - Jeffrey Fleishman of the Los Angeles Times, suggests that Ethiopia had somehow changed its mind on what he called a 'colonial era agreement' on the use of Nile (Abay) river. In an article titled, "The Nile, Egypt's lifeline in the desert, comes under threat", he writes "African countries at the river's source, notably Ethiopia, no longer feel bound by colonial-era agreements on water rights and are moving to siphon away larger shares of water for electricity, irrigation and business to meet demands of burgeoning populations". Ethiopia's position has always been the same, the country will not ask anyone for 'permission' to utilize its own natural resources, not the least so-called colonial masters. In case the author forgets history, Ethiopia had no colonial master.

His article is deeply patronizing and insulting for Ethiopia and other Nile basin countries. He starts by saying,"As poor African capitals increasingly challenge Cairo, however, the struggle has become one of the most pressing foreign policy tests for Egypt's new president, Mohamed Morsi".

It is not Ethiopia's problem that Egypt's sole source of water is Nile. Sure, our country is blessed with several rivers but it is absurd to suggest that we should spare Nile for foreigners. No international law prevents Ethiopia from utilizing its natural resources, no amount of war mongering from Egypt will stop the building of Grand Ethiopian Renaissance Dam. The author even mentions that Ethiopia uses just 3% of the water despite it supplies more than 75% of the water to Nile.

Egypt should come to the table as equal partner with other Nile basin countries and work out a new agreement. This so-called colonial era agreement is not worth the paper it is written on. Ethiopia has never and will never be bound to it.

The single biggest challenge to building the Grand Renaissance Dam is financing not the damn 'colonial-era agreement'.

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39 comments

Comment from: usfu [Visitor]
Thanks for the article. But it should be clear that Ethiopian will develop the dam. As it was many times stated, Ethiopian are engaged to use the Dam for energy sources. This will not affect Egypt or Sudan.

As to the financing, Ethiopian will try to do her best. Or if the author or anyone wants to make donation, it is beneficial. Otherwise, this and that says about the dam will be a say.

By any means the dam construction hardly tests the power of Egyptian authorities because simply it will not hurt Egyptian. If there is any problem, they will discuss, agree and correct it. Inciting of conflict is useless. Ethiopian people need the power for development and not to affect others.
11/11/12 @ 00:57
Comment from: Ethiofriendly [Visitor]
The dam will be built anyway!

But cautions during talks with Gibxos they are not to be trusted!

Ethiopia Rise!
11/11/12 @ 01:21
Comment from: KASSU [Visitor]
There is a historic relation between this two countries and trust me there will be no war and they are all matured and will work on this together.
Who talks about war? not the Egyptians or the Ethiopians therefor watch this guys. If you don't you will never rise but you together will bring changed to Africa.
11/11/12 @ 01:43
Comment from: addis zemen [Visitor]
*****
We damned the goddamned colonial era agreement with our Millinium Dam.
11/11/12 @ 02:21
Comment from: serbedin [Visitor]
THERE WILL NOT BE WAR IF GOD WILL BUT ACCORDING THE ACTION OF WOYYANE AND HOW IT HANDLES IT'S OWN PEOPLE THIS DAM WILL NEVER BUILT PEOPLES ARE SUFFERING THERE IS NO FREEDOM IN THIS COUNTRY PEOPLES ARE LIVING IN OPEN JAIL MOST PROMINENT CITIZENS ARE IN JAIL HOW TO BUILD SUCH A HUGE DAM? OUR MONEY IS COLLECTED BY WOYYANE TRANSFERRED TO Europe MORE CORRUPTION AND INHUMAN RULING PARTY MAKES THINGS DIFFICULT PROGRESS
11/11/12 @ 02:29
Comment from: Nomad [Visitor]
If Ethiopia want peace she must be prepared for war. This metaphor never been more actual than in this world of hegemony and threat whereby weaker states are constantly subjected to bulling by richer countries.

Egypt's warmongering because of the damn Dam has the backing of both the oil rich nomads and their eternal masters.

This is not the middle age when there was always a balance of power and no country has a significant military superiority over the others.

Remember, when the Christians harshly prosecuted in Egypt, unambiguous message was sent by Ethiopia's Atse Libnedingle to the then Egyptian rulers in which he threatened to divert the Nile. He could easily done it! Now time has changed.

Therefore, what our leaders should do is to send diplomats to work round the clock and get an international consensus on the mutual importance of the river and working together.

To get the job done, as one wise man put it, one should speak softly and carry a big stick at the same time!
11/11/12 @ 03:10
Comment from: C'est moi senait [Visitor]
There will be a dam and more dams in future. This is a begging of new chapter. There will be challenges,obstacles sabotages etc, but at last we will come out from these and march to light. But with today's weyannes I have my doubt. These are the enemies within and should be terminated if we want to ensure a success and wealth to the ppl of Ethiopia in future.
11/11/12 @ 03:50
Comment from: Tagesse [Visitor] Email
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We are damn than the colonial era
The main problem we have faced is our unity and strength to build the dam .We are divided among ourselves in politics and different things to build our dams.
I wish there would be third party to collect money and funnel the money to the dam to avoid the money go to wrongly to government officials and abusers.
Most of who live in abroad/diaspora/ donot contribute to the dam due to political difference and let us devise a new means to contribute to the dam directly or indirectly
11/11/12 @ 04:03
Comment from: Alem [Visitor]
The white men need to listen.


There was no any Nile river agreement/treaty between the Nile Basin nations ever. The so called Nile treaty was done between the English that has committed so many crimes against humanity and nature all over the world and Egypt that was also an English colony.

The so called 1929 agreement was done between England and Egypt without the knowledge of Ethiopia that was an Independent nation and the only African country became member of the League of Nations. D.Congo, Burundi and Rwanda also were not an English Colony. That means England has no right to do anything in the name of those nations were not her colony and Ethiopia that contributes 100% fertile soil and 86-95% Nile water in Egypt.

The so called 1959 Nile treaty is a joke including the English type white man doesn't feel shame when he is writing about it. It was done only between the two Nile water consumers that are Egypt and Sudan to use the water in their own territory not the Nile including in upstream nations that are the natural owners of the River.

Yet, the sources to all troubles including the Nile Issues that are the English and some Americans are painting all along lies about the Colonial(1929) or 1959 treaties. But these so called treaties have nothing to do with the upstream nations. There is no a single upstream nation including Ethiopia was present, agreed on and put its signature about the Nile with Egypt or anybody else.

The only legal agreement ever about the Nile water is signed between the Nile nations in 2010. 7 out of the 9 Nile basin nations have agreed and signed it. South Sudan also will be the member and the 8th signatory. So, the white man needs to talk about this agreement rather than shiting his biased baseless and full of lies garbage writing.

The upstream nations never accepted any treaty about the Nile water located in each and every nation. Water is life and development. There is nothing valuable than water except the air to breath. Therefore, each and every nation has a natural as well as legal right to use the water wealth in her territory any time and for any reason without asking any permission from any outsider.

Who says oil and gas are for sell but water is for free including giving it for free to the worst enemy like Egypt. The Nile water must be more expensive in the desert than the oil and gas the desert people are selling and as a result become rich and causing so many problems against the world including Ethiopia in the name of Islam.

There is nothing to stop the upstream nations to use the water resources they have in their territory. The old tactics such as conflicts, proxy war and so on are no more relevant this time. Instead they will backlash and motivate the people to use the river as a weapon against tose responsible from behind like Egypt is doing against Ethiopia for many years. Nile River is not like a nuclear facility located in few places in Iran or somewhere and you bomb it and it is destroyed.

The Abay River in Ethiopia has more than 1200 Permanent tributaries where some are very big rivers. It also has more than 2300 seasonal tributaries. The Hedase dam is the only solution for Egypt. If not Ethiopians will build thousands small dams all over the Nile tributaries and the Nile valley will be dry even within the Ethiopian territory.

In the past Ethiopians wrongly taught foreign money was needed to utilize the water wealth. But, today they know money is human made paper and they don't need to find foreign money to do their jobs but they can do their jobs using their own money and capacity. This is what is going on in Ethiopia today. Ethiopian farmers know today about the value of nature such as water, soil, plants and nice weather for Agriculture and development.

That means the farmers are capable to build small dams all over the Nile tributaries if the Hedase was not there and demanding the water to reach it.

There never ever been any Nile River agreement the upstream nations did agree and sign it. So, get over it. The so called colonial agreement is not a good thing but a criminal act and the colonizer must be condemned and prosecuted to get punishments while the victims must get compensations. If Egypt is talking about any agreement about the Nile, she needs to ask England and North Sudan. She also need to answer her own agreement with England about the Swees Canal agreement where Egypt cancelled it in 1959 rather than talking about a Nile Treaty the upstream nations never signed it.
11/11/12 @ 05:26
Comment from: usfu [Visitor]
Alem,
While it is good to see your descriptive writing, I assume that Ethiopian has reservation on what you wrote. Ethiopian does respect its alliances like UK, USA and others.

The sources of funding for the Dam are from citizen and aids. I personally uncomfortable with the content of your message.

Even you have stating against "white men" to simple create misunderstanding between Ethiopian and those alliance countries. Also I doubt from where are you writing. I cannot understand your goal. If in case you want to incite some conflict between Ethiopian and other countries, with courteous, I would like to inform you that they can easily understand your motivation including from where are you writing, what computer are using (IP).You will be a humorous for them.
11/11/12 @ 06:09
Comment from: Sorsa [Visitor]
nazret.com -

There is nothing against Ethiopia in Jeffrey Fleishman's article as yourself related. I can't understand why you refer to an article that supported Ethiopia in order to denounce colonial treaties.
11/11/12 @ 08:07
Comment from: Lee [Visitor]
@Sorsa

You must have read a completely different article. There were so many half-truths and misrepresentations in it, how could it be anything other than insulting?
11/11/12 @ 09:09
Comment from: Extraterrestrial [Visitor]
Sorsa [Visitor]

"There is nothing against Ethiopia in Jeffrey Fleishman's article as yourself related".

I think nazret.com are correct in criticizing Jeffrey Fleishman's article. If you go and read the article you can sense his patronizing, biased and raciest inclination. They are correct in informing him that Ethiopia is not part of the colonial treaty mambo jumbo which he don't know. He is illiterate about international law and sovereign rights. He also don't know and don't care the suffering of Black people who are the source of the river.

He is actually warning of a threat posed by Ethiopia and reminding them of "Mubarak long neglected the security danger posed by other nations' claims". This is a pure lie Mubarak was aggressive and arrogant as his predecessors like Nasser and Sadat. He is actually warning them to do more.

You don't need to go deep to know he is lying, just look at the title "The Nile, Egypt's lifeline in the desert, comes under threat", this is a pure lie, the production of electricity doesn't put Egypt "under threat".

It is also good to know about the back ground of a writer of article, book and poetry to understand the message. The guy is the Cairo bureau chief for the Los Angeles Times for a long time and have also books with deep understanding of Islam and Jihad.

I admire nazret.com for taking their time to both inform us about this guy and also responding appropriately as he deserved. This is the kind of true Ethiopian children Ethiopia badly misses, Ethiopia have no one to stand up for her interest in the international forum, no one is writing articles against this kind of man, the few who write are possessed of international bickering and demonizing the government and even siding with outsiders like the idiot Al Mariam.
11/11/12 @ 09:29
Comment from: Alem [Visitor]
usfu,

It is not only easy but also the best solution to ignore silly individuals like you. You sounds exactly like those can't get the truth no matter how hard is been told or get lesson.

You seem are busy with a zero quality but as long as possible cheap quantity life creating your own world thinking this is the best while you get nothing from it except living to breath and eat like animals. You also seem are suffering from a kind of paranoia suffering from an imagination danger which no there at all. You need a physiatrist to associate and a mental institute to lock up.

"Even you have stating against "white men"
Where did you get that? You are just living an imagination and fantasy life taking your silly brain to darkness accompanied with lots of fear.
You are really stupid when you wrote this. Against a person or agents his idea seem are the same to you stupid trained by Dergue not to think differently and all directions possible to discover the truth and fact.

You silly also mentioned about IP which is telling how backward and stupid you are suffering from it. Anything I wrote here above or elsewhere is what I know and believe that I do it face to face with anybody else. You are bastard. I'm not living like a rat or some kind of wild animals doings things from hiding because of fear. I'm a human being fear no human being but challenge him/her with ideas or with anything he/she is coming from.

You even have no idea saying England as if she is the only Ethiopian ally during the time there are hundreds of nations having close relation with Ethiopia that England does. However, you are living there with income support making you one of the more than 5 million citizens living under poverty line. Yet, you are suffering from an imagination fear not to lose the worthless life you have there. You are the bottom of all, but you don't get it. Because you are silly and stupid.
However, you are silly and deserve no attention at all. Individuals like you are naturally have low IQ and it is impossible to change them for the better. The way you see things can't see any normal person with healthy brain and way of life.
I already washed my hand on you. So, you are not existing anymore.
you can paint you shit thinking about my comment. But I will not even read it let alone to response. You are the weakest, dump, cheapest and lowest part of Ethiopians and be with them not here with us. you are Ugly and worthless.

11/11/12 @ 10:34
Comment from: henk [Visitor]
Please stop hoya hoye BS over the Internet. This is the era of technology and Egypt is one of few countries that have high-tech military capability certainly no match to Ethiopia. Those who have contacts in the Ethiopian gov need to remind them that they need to asses the Egyptian defense capabilities provided by US and have plans to be able to neutralize any threats and respond in kind. I don't think they should trust Sudan too much.
11/11/12 @ 12:14
Comment from: Rahel [Visitor]
It is about time countries like Egypt explore desalinization as a source of fresh clean water. I am curios to know how much of the Nile ends up in the mediterranean sea without being used. This is the kind of water management that egypt should explore. As far as the article by Jeffery, if you read his contributing source it is not hard to understand why it is inaccurate and filled with half truth and errors. The demand for water across the world is going to going to increase with population growth. No sovereign country can be mandated to give up it's resources for use for another country. Any attempt or grandstanding by Egypt is useless and counter intuitive. It's like a person who plays with his one and only good eye. Let's not bite the hand that feeds. Every country has a right to use it's resources. I would suggest the author to look at other water treaties to see what would we an acceptable arrangement. That would be a journalistic piece. I call this just an opinion at best.
11/11/12 @ 12:41
Comment from: Fiseha [Visitor]
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it's so impressive to see bot countries reached to such the base line agreement at least. we are not on the time that we should think on our fist. well, if the situation forces, of course it is must, but we should not rush to it. that is the last step with no other solution found. i am very happy that both countries showed their interest in dialogue. we encourage their discussion and all Ethiopian also should stand on the side of the project, to support morally and financially to see it's end.
11/11/12 @ 12:44
Comment from: Bona Fide [Visitor]
henk [Visitor],

Short of right out occupation of Ethiopia, there is no way Egypt can deprive Ethiopia of her rights to use the Nile, any time she likes, and in the amount she is entitled to, as the source of the Nile. It is possible that Egypt may sneak in and bomb the Millennium Dam. Nevertheless, this will not eliminate Ethiopia’s capacity to build again a dam on the Nile.

Technologically Sophisticated airplanes do not win wars. They only facilitate it. It takes Egyptian soldiers on the ground, on Ethiopian soil, to win a possible war between Ethiopia and Egypt, and to control the river Nile. Egyptian soldiers will never ever be able to set foot on Ethiopian soil. That is completely out of the question. Ethiopia will be their graveyard, and they know it.

To make Egypt kneel down and come to the negotiation table, Ethiopia has many weapons at her disposal. Among the many things she can do is building small dams (as many as possible) and diverting tributaries for irrigation farming ignoring Egypt and of course her errand boys (some Western and Arab journalists). This no doubt will decrease the amount of water that reaches Egypt, which would be much more detrimental to her than reaching a consensus that would benefit all.

Historical rights and colonial agreements ceased to exist with the British Empire a long time ago. In addition, trying to intimidate Ethiopia militarily will be counterproductive. If Egypt is for another humiliation like the ones in the Nineteenth century, let her try it.
11/11/12 @ 14:16
Comment from: ADD [Visitor] Email
*****
For all Ethiopians ,Lets do our part in time and be part the history .

http://www.ethiopianembassy.org/PDF/MillenniumBond.pdf

http://www.ethiopianembassy.org/Community/DBE_EEPCo_Bond.pdf
11/11/12 @ 14:21
Comment from: bacha birhanu [Visitor]
many thanks to this above article writer as a response to L A times. guys don't be surprised with any article from los angelos tiems or other similar NPaper from DW. Heemmmmmmmmmmm, we know conlonial era is not finihed, still there with abtractive mechanisms by making africa divide into many peices of land, make them to fight each other to get their resource....
what a hell is that? we want to develope but by fight, we want to utilize our resource in a way we want. we want peace with surroundings in cluding nature.
11/11/12 @ 15:05
Comment from: henk [Visitor]
Bona Fide,
I am guessing you are thinking badme type of strategy where you make 70k soldiers walk landmine and move the rest of your forces into an enemy positions, like wars used to get fought in 1400? Egypt doesn't need boots on the ground. They can turn the dams on the Nile and addis ababa into dusts with their radar-evading high-tech jets(and probably drones)and open the can of warms of liberation fronts. What I am saying is that you have to plan for the worst instead of making assumptions (and under-estimate what Egypt will not do).
11/11/12 @ 16:23
Comment from: Gragn Ahmed [Visitor]
First I don't think it is good idea to side line Muslims in the affairs of the country. Second, I suggest that Nile River is owned by BeniShanguls who are Muslims and Weytos of Bahir Dar who are the indigeneous people until the Amhara copts dominated them. There may be also some Agaws who are at the stake. These indigenous people must be consulted before any agreement is reached. Egypt I hope will be clear on this that any thing that she deals with unwarraneted Wayanes is not valid. Some diaspora copts want to demonize the white person of LA but he will never listen to a black guy. Ethiopian copts may cry but there is no body to listen to them. Orthodox may change to Pente but the Nile River remains under the white Egyptians who are close to the White Europeans. Don't underestimate Egyptians. But since the main proprietors of Nile River (Abbay) are Muslim BeniShangul and Muslim Weyoto there is no point for Amhara website nazret.com to tell Egyptians what to do. Egypt should work closely with BenShangul and Wayto Muslims directly to settle our Muslim issues.

On the other hand Tigres can not buy time to rule over us while they play with Amhara coptic sentiment over the Nile issue. We simply will never allow Nile issue to dominate freedom struggle. Some Amhara copts are siding with Wayane which is a treason on Ethiopian Muslims future.

Simply the whole idea of Abbay Dam for power supply is a mockery of our money. Who is gonna need that much Power supply? They tell us the power will be exported? Excuse me to who? The same people who hate us like the Meles used to say the Egyptians? No way. Egypt will simply wait until the project is completed and will just tell us f the hell off. Then what you gonna do? Damp the Dam? No one is fool. We know Wayane wants to use the water to irrigate the area and ship the produce to China or Tigrai and starve the Ethiopian people or at least make the Tigrai richer. This Dam thing is damb idea by the Meles region. It will put Ethiopia under the control of Egypt more than not having the dam itself. Stupid ideas come from stupid people.

If really the dam is going to work it must involve the local native people and grant them protection and not use them and give them the power in the negotiation table. I have not seen any single Benshangul of Weyto getting any form of representation. They are not even recognized by Amhara. Simple as that. this colonial Tigrai policy will be reversed and the dam destroyed once Tigray government leaves by force soon. Neither Tigrai idiots nor Amhra elites have a right to negotiate over Abay dam. World Bank should block any foreign help from China.

The best way is to settle Egyptians in Bahir Dar so they can monitor the amount of water that is being used. Otherwise, copts will use it to irrigate the Amhara land but never benefit the Muslims of the South and the local indigenous people while looting all they can from southern Muslims the coffee that they heavily depend on and the gold.




11/11/12 @ 16:39
Comment from: usfu [Visitor]
****-
Alem,
May I run your brain whether it is invaded with malware? I do so this based on what you brain has produced and you transferred the outcome on your first writing. After I check your first written animosity, I will respond to your second delusional views, otherwise I urge you to go to doctor in the nearest place as soon as possible.

Here what you wrote as quoted and I charge you to respond to my inquiries. You started with "The white men need to listen". Why you referenced to white men?

A) "...treaty was done b/n the English that has committed so many crime..." Why do you think the English did this? How you measure or indicate those many crimes? Here, are you not initiating conflict b/n Ethiopia and English? I don't think anyone buy your unfounded delusion unless please check your brain damage.

B) " ... Nile issues that are the English & some Americans are painting all along lies..." How do you prove that these countries lies? Why they do so if you feel this is what they are saying? Are you not starting to poppy without a reason. O Yah, I forget your mission: Do you want to obstruct the dam construction by begging an influence from those countries? I doubt that your idea is marketable.

C) "... white man needs to talk about...than shiting his biased & full of lies garbage writing..." Why you jump on white man and insult him as if you were favouring Ethiopia?

D) "...each and every nation ...use water...without asking any permission from outsider." How do you compromise the externality effect?

E) You also pretend to inject your delusional ideas: price of oil & gas versus water. Here, what is a merit of your ideas related to the dam construction?

F) "... Nile River is not a nuclear facility located in few place in Iran or ...you bomb it & it is destroyed." Who did it and why? O, sorry, what is the import of your idea in relation to the Dam?

G) "...Foreign money was needed ...but, today,...don't need to find foreign money...do their jobs using their own money & capacity. ... going in Ethiopia today." How you prove that Ethiopian does/was not get aids to finance the dam? If you know about monetary regulation globally, I am sure you would't vomit this. O, sorry, you are patient for now.

Then, I will respond to you after your check up. If you are still mad, please call someone to get restrained.

But, Know that the dam construction will be strengthen with collaboration of user-nations and other countries. This help to reduce poverty and increase living standard for economical poor people.

I don't buy your rudimentary ideas. Oops, I forget that you ran toward insult. You can do so this until the virus would be clean from your brain, or you go for good.

11/11/12 @ 17:14
Comment from: HagereEthiopia [Visitor]
Of course there will be war unless we keep each others interest. But the destruction of one dam may lead to the destruction of another, a lot more worth to Egypt as they have the bugger dam. I mean, one just can not expect their actions will have no concequence.
However,
I hope Meles knew what will be involved by this decision that is, if we are attacked, we will strike back where it hurts the most. As the saying goes the best offence is a strategic defence.
There is no clear cut end to this as both nations will do what they have to do. I just hope leaders will have enough sense to avert destructive decisions and come together and learn to share in a way that satisfies both. The only way all involved will benefit will be through negotiations.

11/11/12 @ 19:03
Comment from: Seattle [Visitor]
For the time being there is plenty of water to go around Dam or No Dam.
But in a long run the policy of Ethiopia should be the same as the policy of other riparian countries of the world use on their rivers. eg. Turkey on Euphrates River.
Egypt shouldn't expect the people of Ethiopia to sit and starve while 100% of Nile water leaves the country with no single use. At the same token We Ethiopians don’t want to wish for the Egyptians to starve by blocking the water completely. The answer lies in the middle if there are cool heads on both sides.
Let’s stop the war drum. War only hurt both countries than helping them. Believe me in this time and age no country has the ability to annihilate another country without a consequences no matter how small or weak the country look on paper.
11/11/12 @ 20:12
Comment from: Dany [Visitor]
It is action time. We are working on the dam and every Ethiopian and friends of Ethiopia are acting by involving themselves in different ways. Let's all act by buying the bond. There will be no war and the dam will be finished before you know it.

ACTION TIME!

Buy the bond!
11/11/12 @ 20:18
Comment from: Seattle [Visitor]
alem taye the kebena [Visitor],

How do we believe you? How do we know for sure that you are not just trying to trash someone for some personal gain or some personal vendetta?
Be careful when you accuse and blackmail people by calling names with no concrete prove to back it up. It might back fire on you.

Nazret moderators, I would delete this gossip from this individual unless there are facts.


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11/11/12 @ 20:32
Comment from: Seattle [Visitor]
henk [Visitor]
What is your point here?
As I said earlier no country can beat any country at this age. If that was the case the mighty American army would have won the War in Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan on the first few months of the war. But as we all know, that was not the case.
Egypt is a third world country hence it's army. Unless you are an Egyptian blinded by purely nationalistic fervor- which I doubt you are - I don't see a reason to bring it up here.
11/11/12 @ 20:52
Comment from: Bona Fide [Visitor]
henk [Visitor],
This time it is the Egyptian soldier who would be walking on land mines, if it dares to set foot on Ethiopian soil, and not the Ethiopian soldier. Ethiopia would be fighting a defensive war, which is much easier than an offensive war, which on the contrary is much more expensive, economically and in the number of human sacrifice needed to carry it out.
You are overestimating what Egypt can do and underestimating what Ethiopia is capable of. The Badme war is a completely different thing. It was the mistake of the government, which dismantled the Ethiopian standing army, made Ethiopia a defenseless country, and gave the chance to Eritrea to attack Ethiopia. My friend, this is not Ethiopia of 1998. Ethiopia can defend herself from any Egyptian attack.
I repeat again that war is not won by machines, but by human beings. Egypt can have any number of jets and drones, she can even try to attack Addis Ababa and the dam, and please, do not you tell us there is nothing Ethiopia can do about it. No, it is not as simple as that. There are many things Ethiopia can do to defend herself from these high tech jets. If machines by themselves can win wars, Vietnam would have been won, Afghanistan would have been over and incursion into Somalia by the Ethiopian armed forces would not have been necessary. .
If you put liberation forces in to the equation or even Eritrea, then the war will not be only that of defending the Nile, but that of defending the very existence of Ethiopia, in which case, many unfortunate things could happen to what you called “can of worms”, and Ethiopia would be treating the worms in a boiling water. Ethiopians are with these people as long as their democratic rights are concerned, and completely against them, if we find them with the enemy against Ethiopia.
11/12/12 @ 00:24
Comment from: Ash [Visitor]
Can some one pls tell those crazy Ethiopian and Egypt u can't generate power by daming the water... U only generate power when u release the water hence the Egpyt get her water after the Ethiopian get their power now tell me where is the hurt from both side.

This like egpt puting money in the Ethiopian bank. The bank ( Ethiopia) use the money but when Egpty need withdrew her money the bank give her money water... If u put million birr in the bank the bank use ur money but when u need ur million birr the bank still give u ur million birr then what is the hurt the bank use ur money.

Now I want Ethiopian govement to send Arabic Muslim Ethiopian to Egpty and tell them what up
11/12/12 @ 06:22
Comment from: 1000 wives [Visitor]
ASh:

"Now I want Ethiopian govement to send Arabic Muslim Ethiopian to Egpty and tell them what up"

Is that you the same Ash I know? I could not believe you called Ethiopian Muslims Arabs and they should go to Egypt. Really? You believe so. If so why you would really act like you are a fair person? Indeed, Wayanes are fox under sheep skin.

More over, this is a good lesson for Egypt that copts will never respect their allegiance. If Egypt signs any accord with Ethiopia then this will be scaped by Ethiopians. It is better for Egypt not to sign any accord the more concession the more copts will demand. Here, Ash saw some weakness form the Muslim Egypt and he wanted to take advantage of. I thought Ash was a sane person and considered him a good Wayane. He used to say all good thing for Muslims but now we see him totally reversing his position and went on calling us Arabs and we should go to Egypt.

Ash, you may travel to Israel like your Queen Saba or Sheba did the most promiscuous lady on the planet who travel to meet and have sex with the most promiscuous King Solomon upon hearing his fame that he can take 70 women and have sex within one hour.

The first ever sex tourist lady. Jerusalem used to be the land of prostitute Kings and Sodomites.
&8kgnV

11/12/12 @ 08:57
Comment from: Belay [Visitor]
Ahmed gragn wrote

"The best way is to settle Egyptians in Bahir Dar so they can monitor the amount of water that is being used. Otherwise, copts will use it to irrigate the Amhara land ".guud eko naw!!! you are actually calling for egypt to occupy part of ethiopia.
what is sad is most of the islams who as we speak are swearing and shouting in ethiopia share your vision.
by the way where is the lion Assta Getu when you need him...lol...
the grand reneissance dam is ethiopias lalibela and axum of the 21st century. its not upto egypt its upto ethiopians!
11/12/12 @ 11:50
Comment from: Ash [Visitor]
Now I want Ethiopian govement to send Arabic Muslim Ethiopian to Egpty and tell them what up

Now I want Ethiopian Goverment to send Arabic speaking Muslim Ethiopia( diplomat ) to Egpty so that they will tell Egyptian in their own language ( Arabic) Ethiopian doesn't generate electric power by damming Nile. Ethiopia generate power by realizing Nile... If Ethiopia realizing the Nile to flow then the Egpyt get the water Ethiopia get her power...did u get it Ethiopia dam the Nile just a bank holding ur money yes the bank can use ur money but when u need ur money the bank give u ur money then why u care if the bank use ur money...

Yes that my point I don't speak perfect English or write perfect English that is why u miss understand my point and start the war with me and bomb the Nile dam.. Etc etc.. All this could have avoided if Ethiopia send Arabic speaking Ethiopia who is Muslim with Muslim sounding name it will be very hard for Egyptian to misunderstand us...

Dear 1000wife, G. Amhad... I believe Ethiopia is stronger if we have Muslim and Christian people working in unity but I will never accept at expensive of Muslim.. So that I say the more freedom the better.

I wish Ethiopia government understand people are human capital just like having oil and gold so must attract investors by giving them free land, electricity, and tax free..etc etc... Late alone to kick out what we have I want more people... If I have power..I even setup office only job is to seek and head hunt human capital and give the job and home to settled in Ethiopia.

In fact I am much tried of this forum I am looking to exist this forum because it is waste of time for me...because we could have use this Internet to do a great thing but we use it to destruct our own home.
11/12/12 @ 12:12
Comment from: Gragn Ahmed [Visitor]
I am very sorry to have misunderstood you. I thought go to Egypt. That is what I am saying use our human capital. By avoiding Muslims in the power game Ethiopia remains a dvded nationa and weak.


I always valued your comment and you are the only one who is really makes sense in my over 3 years of being here. I gave up on this site a couple of times. By hating Muslims we will never go anywhere. I have not seen any where in the world where hate produced any fruit. Islam is peace whenever there is a peaceful people. But does not tolerate injustice. We lived in Ethiopia. We did not have a perfect country. We had bad times and good times. Wayane should have taken the opportunity to listen to people. He allowed freedom of religion but then put his hands by picking on one very unknown sect of Islam because it went along with his view of the world. That is not wrong but it put him under fire. All Ethiopians pay taxes. No one really cared about what his vision is but he must respect all of the views of the people. In America even KKK are not banned despite their known hatred. Meles does not own Muslims of Ethiopia. But he thinks he does. Why? Because he saw they are weak and had no choice and did not fight for him. He thinks those Muslim Generals who saved his life and protect his life as Muslims are just paid to the job and not out of love for his vision. He can tell them like a drone what to do and they do it. He takes them as his servant and his slaves and that has been the case for many years since we lived in that country for long. As a Muslim I would not take that unless of course forced to do. Since I am in the West where there is freedom of speech I will keep writing my vision and my gut and my brain and my heart until of course they stop me from doing it or jail me or arrest me or kick me out for speaking the truth. I don't trust the American system because even peaceful Dr Zaki Niak PeaceTv program is no longer on air and the Dr is not able to travel to the West wheras KKK is functioning despite its violent record. So the West is not free and I may end up being sent somewhere but I will never stop fighting with pen.

11/12/12 @ 12:57
Comment from: Gragn Ahmed [Visitor]
I am very sorry to have misunderstood you. I thought suggested Muslims should go to Egypt. That is what I have been saying use our human capital. By avoiding Muslims in the power game, Ethiopia remains a divided nation and weak.

I type fast and I hate correcting. I need a secretary??
lol
11/12/12 @ 12:59
Comment from: henk [Visitor]
Bona Fide,
You are characterizing my points in the exact opposite way. You are aiming really low if you think Egypt not being able to colonize Ethiopia by occupying the whole country as a VICTORY. The point I am trying to make is this. There is a documented intention by Egypt to subvert the damn by using air power. The government should develop the capability to respond in kind. If they attach Ethiopian dams, Egyptian dams should be a legitimate target and the military should develop the capability to do so. If they attack cities, they should get the response in kind. So who is underestimating Ethiopia? The concern is that the current gov focuses a lot on policies that are not based on competence rather on ethnic and it is time they have good plans in place. They need professionals with the help of Ethiopian friends.
11/12/12 @ 13:43
Comment from: berta [Visitor]
finance can be a challenge but the real challenge is the government of Ethiopia that is polarizing the people and wants to keep it that way. Gov Reps went out to the west to collect money from diaspora but only a selected few can go into the fund raising meeting. They could have collected more money if they let every Ethiopian involved regardless of their political opinion. This is just one simple example
11/12/12 @ 14:24
Comment from: Visitor [Visitor]
Alem,
You made a good point, and I say that was some enlightening message to those who may wish to get facts and understand thngs.
But, you shouldn't have spent a second on responding to that knuckle head Usfu!
And another good point made by Berta.
11/12/12 @ 17:11
Comment from: Brooks [Visitor]
The current Ethiopian ambassador to Egypt is a Somali Ethiopian Mr.Mahamoud Dirir who speaks Arabic,Amaharic,Somal,Oromiffa and English without accent.
11/12/12 @ 20:24

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