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Ethiopia: Damn The 'colonial-era agreement' on the use of Nile
nazret.com - Jeffrey Fleishman of the Los Angeles Times, suggests that Ethiopia had somehow changed its mind on what he called a 'colonial era agreement' on the use of Nile (Abay) river. In an article titled, "The Nile, Egypt's lifeline in the desert, comes under threat", he writes "African countries at the river's source, notably Ethiopia, no longer feel bound by colonial-era agreements on water rights and are moving to siphon away larger shares of water for electricity, irrigation and business to meet demands of burgeoning populations". Ethiopia's position has always been the same, the country will not ask anyone for 'permission' to utilize its own natural resources, not the least so-called colonial masters. In case the author forgets history, Ethiopia had no colonial master.
His article is deeply patronizing and insulting for Ethiopia and other Nile basin countries. He starts by saying,"As poor African capitals increasingly challenge Cairo, however, the struggle has become one of the most pressing foreign policy tests for Egypt's new president, Mohamed Morsi".
It is not Ethiopia's problem that Egypt's sole source of water is Nile. Sure, our country is blessed with several rivers but it is absurd to suggest that we should spare Nile for foreigners. No international law prevents Ethiopia from utilizing its natural resources, no amount of war mongering from Egypt will stop the building of Grand Ethiopian Renaissance Dam. The author even mentions that Ethiopia uses just 3% of the water despite it supplies more than 75% of the water to Nile.
Egypt should come to the table as equal partner with other Nile basin countries and work out a new agreement. This so-called colonial era agreement is not worth the paper it is written on. Ethiopia has never and will never be bound to it.
The single biggest challenge to building the Grand Renaissance Dam is financing not the damn 'colonial-era agreement'.
Thanks for the article. But it should be clear that Ethiopian will develop the dam. As it was many times stated, Ethiopian are engaged to use the Dam for energy sources. This will not affect Egypt or Sudan.
As to the financing, Ethiopian will try to do her best. Or if the author or anyone wants to make donation, it is beneficial. Otherwise, this and that says about the dam will be a say.
By any means the dam construction hardly tests the power of Egyptian authorities because simply it will not hurt Egyptian. If there is any problem, they will discuss, agree and correct it. Inciting of conflict is useless. Ethiopian people need the power for development and not to affect others.
The dam will be built anyway!
But cautions during talks with Gibxos they are not to be trusted!
There is a historic relation between this two countries and trust me there will be no war and they are all matured and will work on this together.
Who talks about war? not the Egyptians or the Ethiopians therefor watch this guys. If you don’t you will never rise but you together will bring changed to Africa.
We damned the goddamned colonial era agreement with our Millinium Dam.
THERE WILL NOT BE WAR IF GOD WILL BUT ACCORDING THE ACTION OF WOYYANE AND HOW IT HANDLES IT’S OWN PEOPLE THIS DAM WILL NEVER BUILT PEOPLES ARE SUFFERING THERE IS NO FREEDOM IN THIS COUNTRY PEOPLES ARE LIVING IN OPEN JAIL MOST PROMINENT CITIZENS ARE IN JAIL HOW TO BUILD SUCH A HUGE DAM? OUR MONEY IS COLLECTED BY WOYYANE TRANSFERRED TO Europe MORE CORRUPTION AND INHUMAN RULING PARTY MAKES THINGS DIFFICULT PROGRESS
If Ethiopia want peace she must be prepared for war. This metaphor never been more actual than in this world of hegemony and threat whereby weaker states are constantly subjected to bulling by richer countries.
Egypt’s warmongering because of the damn Dam has the backing of both the oil rich nomads and their eternal masters.
This is not the middle age when there was always a balance of power and no country has a significant military superiority over the others.
Remember, when the Christians harshly prosecuted in Egypt, unambiguous message was sent by Ethiopia’s Atse Libnedingle to the then Egyptian rulers in which he threatened to divert the Nile. He could easily done it! Now time has changed.
Therefore, what our leaders should do is to send diplomats to work round the clock and get an international consensus on the mutual importance of the river and working together.
To get the job done, as one wise man put it, one should speak softly and carry a big stick at the same time!
There will be a dam and more dams in future. This is a begging of new chapter. There will be challenges,obstacles sabotages etc, but at last we will come out from these and march to light. But with today’s weyannes I have my doubt. These are the enemies within and should be terminated if we want to ensure a success and wealth to the ppl of Ethiopia in future.
We are damn than the colonial era
The main problem we have faced is our unity and strength to build the dam .We are divided among ourselves in politics and different things to build our dams.
I wish there would be third party to collect money and funnel the money to the dam to avoid the money go to wrongly to government officials and abusers.
Most of who live in abroad/diaspora/ donot contribute to the dam due to political difference and let us devise a new means to contribute to the dam directly or indirectly
The white men need to listen.
There was no any Nile river agreement/treaty between the Nile Basin nations ever. The so called Nile treaty was done between the English that has committed so many crimes against humanity and nature all over the world and Egypt that was also an English colony.
The so called 1929 agreement was done between England and Egypt without the knowledge of Ethiopia that was an Independent nation and the only African country became member of the League of Nations. D.Congo, Burundi and Rwanda also were not an English Colony. That means England has no right to do anything in the name of those nations were not her colony and Ethiopia that contributes 100% fertile soil and 86-95% Nile water in Egypt.
The so called 1959 Nile treaty is a joke including the English type white man doesn’t feel shame when he is writing about it. It was done only between the two Nile water consumers that are Egypt and Sudan to use the water in their own territory not the Nile including in upstream nations that are the natural owners of the River.
Yet, the sources to all troubles including the Nile Issues that are the English and some Americans are painting all along lies about the Colonial(1929) or 1959 treaties. But these so called treaties have nothing to do with the upstream nations. There is no a single upstream nation including Ethiopia was present, agreed on and put its signature about the Nile with Egypt or anybody else.
The only legal agreement ever about the Nile water is signed between the Nile nations in 2010. 7 out of the 9 Nile basin nations have agreed and signed it. South Sudan also will be the member and the 8th signatory. So, the white man needs to talk about this agreement rather than shiting his biased baseless and full of lies garbage writing.
The upstream nations never accepted any treaty about the Nile water located in each and every nation. Water is life and development. There is nothing valuable than water except the air to breath. Therefore, each and every nation has a natural as well as legal right to use the water wealth in her territory any time and for any reason without asking any permission from any outsider.
Who says oil and gas are for sell but water is for free including giving it for free to the worst enemy like Egypt. The Nile water must be more expensive in the desert than the oil and gas the desert people are selling and as a result become rich and causing so many problems against the world including Ethiopia in the name of Islam.
There is nothing to stop the upstream nations to use the water resources they have in their territory. The old tactics such as conflicts, proxy war and so on are no more relevant this time. Instead they will backlash and motivate the people to use the river as a weapon against tose responsible from behind like Egypt is doing against Ethiopia for many years. Nile River is not like a nuclear facility located in few places in Iran or somewhere and you bomb it and it is destroyed.
The Abay River in Ethiopia has more than 1200 Permanent tributaries where some are very big rivers. It also has more than 2300 seasonal tributaries. The Hedase dam is the only solution for Egypt. If not Ethiopians will build thousands small dams all over the Nile tributaries and the Nile valley will be dry even within the Ethiopian territory.
In the past Ethiopians wrongly taught foreign money was needed to utilize the water wealth. But, today they know money is human made paper and they don’t need to find foreign money to do their jobs but they can do their jobs using their own money and capacity. This is what is going on in Ethiopia today. Ethiopian farmers know today about the value of nature such as water, soil, plants and nice weather for Agriculture and development.
That means the farmers are capable to build small dams all over the Nile tributaries if the Hedase was not there and demanding the water to reach it.
There never ever been any Nile River agreement the upstream nations did agree and sign it. So, get over it. The so called colonial agreement is not a good thing but a criminal act and the colonizer must be condemned and prosecuted to get punishments while the victims must get compensations. If Egypt is talking about any agreement about the Nile, she needs to ask England and North Sudan. She also need to answer her own agreement with England about the Swees Canal agreement where Egypt cancelled it in 1959 rather than talking about a Nile Treaty the upstream nations never signed it.
While it is good to see your descriptive writing, I assume that Ethiopian has reservation on what you wrote. Ethiopian does respect its alliances like UK, USA and others.
The sources of funding for the Dam are from citizen and aids. I personally uncomfortable with the content of your message.
Even you have stating against “white men” to simple create misunderstanding between Ethiopian and those alliance countries. Also I doubt from where are you writing. I cannot understand your goal. If in case you want to incite some conflict between Ethiopian and other countries, with courteous, I would like to inform you that they can easily understand your motivation including from where are you writing, what computer are using (IP).You will be a humorous for them.
There is nothing against Ethiopia in Jeffrey Fleishman’s article as yourself related. I can’t understand why you refer to an article that supported Ethiopia in order to denounce colonial treaties.
You must have read a completely different article. There were so many half-truths and misrepresentations in it, how could it be anything other than insulting?
“There is nothing against Ethiopia in Jeffrey Fleishman’s article as yourself related".
I think nazret.com are correct in criticizing Jeffrey Fleishman’s article. If you go and read the article you can sense his patronizing, biased and raciest inclination. They are correct in informing him that Ethiopia is not part of the colonial treaty mambo jumbo which he don’t know. He is illiterate about international law and sovereign rights. He also don’t know and don’t care the suffering of Black people who are the source of the river.
He is actually warning of a threat posed by Ethiopia and reminding them of “Mubarak long neglected the security danger posed by other nations’ claims". This is a pure lie Mubarak was aggressive and arrogant as his predecessors like Nasser and Sadat. He is actually warning them to do more.
You don’t need to go deep to know he is lying, just look at the title “The Nile, Egypt’s lifeline in the desert, comes under threat", this is a pure lie, the production of electricity doesn’t put Egypt “under threat".
It is also good to know about the back ground of a writer of article, book and poetry to understand the message. The guy is the Cairo bureau chief for the Los Angeles Times for a long time and have also books with deep understanding of Islam and Jihad.
I admire nazret.com for taking their time to both inform us about this guy and also responding appropriately as he deserved. This is the kind of true Ethiopian children Ethiopia badly misses, Ethiopia have no one to stand up for her interest in the international forum, no one is writing articles against this kind of man, the few who write are possessed of international bickering and demonizing the government and even siding with outsiders like the idiot Al Mariam.
It is not only easy but also the best solution to ignore silly individuals like you. You sounds exactly like those can’t get the truth no matter how hard is been told or get lesson.
You seem are busy with a zero quality but as long as possible cheap quantity life creating your own world thinking this is the best while you get nothing from it except living to breath and eat like animals. You also seem are suffering from a kind of paranoia suffering from an imagination danger which no there at all. You need a physiatrist to associate and a mental institute to lock up.
“Even you have stating against “white men”
Where did you get that? You are just living an imagination and fantasy life taking your silly brain to darkness accompanied with lots of fear.
You are really stupid when you wrote this. Against a person or agents his idea seem are the same to you stupid trained by Dergue not to think differently and all directions possible to discover the truth and fact.
You silly also mentioned about IP which is telling how backward and stupid you are suffering from it. Anything I wrote here above or elsewhere is what I know and believe that I do it face to face with anybody else. You are bastard. I’m not living like a rat or some kind of wild animals doings things from hiding because of fear. I’m a human being fear no human being but challenge him/her with ideas or with anything he/she is coming from.
You even have no idea saying England as if she is the only Ethiopian ally during the time there are hundreds of nations having close relation with Ethiopia that England does. However, you are living there with income support making you one of the more than 5 million citizens living under poverty line. Yet, you are suffering from an imagination fear not to lose the worthless life you have there. You are the bottom of all, but you don’t get it. Because you are silly and stupid.
However, you are silly and deserve no attention at all. Individuals like you are naturally have low IQ and it is impossible to change them for the better. The way you see things can’t see any normal person with healthy brain and way of life.
I already washed my hand on you. So, you are not existing anymore.
you can paint you shit thinking about my comment. But I will not even read it let alone to response. You are the weakest, dump, cheapest and lowest part of Ethiopians and be with them not here with us. you are Ugly and worthless.
Please stop hoya hoye BS over the Internet. This is the era of technology and Egypt is one of few countries that have high-tech military capability certainly no match to Ethiopia. Those who have contacts in the Ethiopian gov need to remind them that they need to asses the Egyptian defense capabilities provided by US and have plans to be able to neutralize any threats and respond in kind. I don’t think they should trust Sudan too much.
It is about time countries like Egypt explore desalinization as a source of fresh clean water. I am curios to know how much of the Nile ends up in the mediterranean sea without being used. This is the kind of water management that egypt should explore. As far as the article by Jeffery, if you read his contributing source it is not hard to understand why it is inaccurate and filled with half truth and errors. The demand for water across the world is going to going to increase with population growth. No sovereign country can be mandated to give up it’s resources for use for another country. Any attempt or grandstanding by Egypt is useless and counter intuitive. It’s like a person who plays with his one and only good eye. Let’s not bite the hand that feeds. Every country has a right to use it’s resources. I would suggest the author to look at other water treaties to see what would we an acceptable arrangement. That would be a journalistic piece. I call this just an opinion at best.
it’s so impressive to see bot countries reached to such the base line agreement at least. we are not on the time that we should think on our fist. well, if the situation forces, of course it is must, but we should not rush to it. that is the last step with no other solution found. i am very happy that both countries showed their interest in dialogue. we encourage their discussion and all Ethiopian also should stand on the side of the project, to support morally and financially to see it’s end.
Short of right out occupation of Ethiopia, there is no way Egypt can deprive Ethiopia of her rights to use the Nile, any time she likes, and in the amount she is entitled to, as the source of the Nile. It is possible that Egypt may sneak in and bomb the Millennium Dam. Nevertheless, this will not eliminate Ethiopia’s capacity to build again a dam on the Nile.
Technologically Sophisticated airplanes do not win wars. They only facilitate it. It takes Egyptian soldiers on the ground, on Ethiopian soil, to win a possible war between Ethiopia and Egypt, and to control the river Nile. Egyptian soldiers will never ever be able to set foot on Ethiopian soil. That is completely out of the question. Ethiopia will be their graveyard, and they know it.
To make Egypt kneel down and come to the negotiation table, Ethiopia has many weapons at her disposal. Among the many things she can do is building small dams (as many as possible) and diverting tributaries for irrigation farming ignoring Egypt and of course her errand boys (some Western and Arab journalists). This no doubt will decrease the amount of water that reaches Egypt, which would be much more detrimental to her than reaching a consensus that would benefit all.
Historical rights and colonial agreements ceased to exist with the British Empire a long time ago. In addition, trying to intimidate Ethiopia militarily will be counterproductive. If Egypt is for another humiliation like the ones in the Nineteenth century, let her try it.
For all Ethiopians ,Lets do our part in time and be part the history .
many thanks to this above article writer as a response to L A times. guys don’t be surprised with any article from los angelos tiems or other similar NPaper from DW. Heemmmmmmmmmmm, we know conlonial era is not finihed, still there with abtractive mechanisms by making africa divide into many peices of land, make them to fight each other to get their resource….
what a hell is that? we want to develope but by fight, we want to utilize our resource in a way we want. we want peace with surroundings in cluding nature.
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