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01/16/13

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Should Ethiopia follow FAA and ground all Boeing 787 flights?

Ethiopian Airlines' first Dreamliner is hosed down on arrival in Addis Ababa. Photo: AFP

Should Ethiopia follow FAA and ground all Boeing 787 flights?

Ed's Note: Ethiopian Airlines announced on Thursday that it is grounding all its 787 fleet for a precautionary inspection. Read the press release here

The U.S. Federal Aviation Administration ordered the immediate temporary halt of Boeing's Dreamliner flights on Wednesday, saying it requires a "corrective action plan" before flights can resume, and hasn't released a timetable for when that might happen, the Wall Street Journal reports.

Two days earlier, Ethiopian Airlines CEO expressed confidence with the the safety of Boeing 787 and said in a press statement that "We are pleased with the performance of our Dreamliners. The Dreamliner is a highly capable and safe aircraft, which has enabled Ethiopian to enhance its service. The feedback from our passengers has been overwhelmingly positive and in some instances contributed to higher than expected passenger load factors on routes it has been deployed," said Tewolde Gebremariam, CEO of Ethiopian. "However, like any new technology aircraft entering into service, it is normal to encounter some minor bugs here and there, which are causing some technical delays in departures as extra time is needed to correct them", he added.

In light of recent developments regarding the aircraft and the FAA announcement to ground all 787 flights in the US, should ET ground all Boeing 787 flights until further safety check?

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Comment from: wolde ab [Visitor]
Of course EAL should heed the advice and stop the flights like yesterday.
The procedure to manufacture the planes that EAL received are not different from those that the Japanese got. As such, EAL should follow the "halt flight" advice.
Unless of course the income that these planes would generate is more important than the lives of poor passengers.
Next time I fly to Ethiopia, Iam going to make sure that the plane I board is not the 787.....
EAL; please stop being so obdurate that you lose the trust most people have given you.
01/16/13 @ 19:14
Comment from: Ex Flight-Tech [Visitor]
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No, FAA bowing to usual US media scare, and struggling Japan Air negotiating for $$$...

Changing lithium ion batteries in question to old version(a none vital operational recharge component) will eliminate problem, period.
01/16/13 @ 19:16
Comment from: Girma Waqe [Visitor]
Ethiopian Air lines should buy planes based on needs and strategic plans but not based on I am the first to buy x plane in Africa or y plane in the world, this silly show off must stop. 787 Dreamliner has problems from the start, the Japanese had problem with it, i remember incident in Singapore, EAL also had problem with it mechanics came from America to Addis. why do you think Emirate, American Airlines, British Airways etc didn't rush to buy such a massive plane. EAL needs to be compensated for all inconvenience, first of all the plane was delivered after years of delay, secondly after delivered too many problem with it risking EAL reputation.
01/16/13 @ 19:26
Comment from: wolde ab [Visitor]
Ex flight tech....if everything is as small and mundane as you make it out to be, how did the AAE and POwer Engineers miss it.
Maybe there is a reason for that qualifier EX
01/16/13 @ 19:58
Comment from: werner2010 [Visitor]
I had the pleasure of flying 787 on my recent vacation home. It was a wonderful experience, especially I really felt very proud of Ethiopian when I saw many passengers taking pictures of the new bird upon arrival at Bole. Having said that, I agree fully with Wolde Ab that EAL must heed the recommendation of the American authorities, and EAL must seek financial or other form of compensation from Boing. An airplane must be -above anything else- absolutely safe, and 787 seems to have some serious issues.
01/16/13 @ 20:07
Comment from: Seattle [Visitor]

There are already several glitches on 787 Ethiopian curretnly own. one of themn has to be grouded at Bole several months back so Boing Engineers can replace the engine.
It was part of the warranty so there was no cost to ETHIOPIAN.

We don't have the means to do our own thorough invastigation on these type of new techonologies so I think it's wise for ETHIOPIAN to follow the advice of FAA and halt the services of all 787 immediatly untill further invastigation has been performed by authorities in US.
01/16/13 @ 20:19
Comment from: Gashe mamo [Visitor]
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Well they are grounding those airplanes for safety reasons. Safety should be a priority. At least EAL should suspend those planes voluntarily , for the sake of safety.

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01/16/13 @ 20:20
Comment from: hagos [Visitor]
Plainly if manufacturers said there is safety issues and need to abandoned the plane, but for whatever reasons, Ethiopia expected to do it.

A. If Ethiopia fail to follow the suggestion, Ethiopia will take responsibility of any hazards. Ethiopia will not get insurance coverage for any damage.

B. If Ethiopia follow the suggestion, as clearly stated by Girma Waqe, Ethiopia entitled to get the stipulated contract: business reputation, customer inconvenience, reimbursement for purchase costs, employee salary compensation, investment on employees training for this new plane, and other transaction costs.

A vs B?
It is better to follow B.
01/16/13 @ 20:45
Comment from: Ayalew Mognu, Sew Amagnu [Visitor]
Hi,

Of course the whole fleet world-wide should be grounded [as Boeing did with its B-767-ER debut (quietly and without the FAA)]. Probably their may already be a Boeing Flight Safety Advisory or Flight Safety Bulletin (or something like that) in effect on the ground before the FAA’s intervention. The FAA usually follows Boeing, not the other way round! Otherwise, why would the FAA risk its reputation after approving the airplane after thousands of hours of test flights?

Well, at least the B-787 can reach the ground and can land safely to evacuate passengers. What has the "Ethiopian Airlines" to say about the tons of money it flushed down the toilet on Bombardier's garbage that was falling out of European skies and crashing all over the landing fields of Europe?

Anyway, if you have to know, “The Ethiopian Airlines” never had any brain in the management section (government appointees, all the time!). The assholes at “Ethiopian Airlines” management always use a logic that is out of this world! Why do you think all the company’s brainy technicians and pilots (who had the means to leave) are scattered all over the world?

All said, the Boeing-787 and the Boeing-777 are excellent investments! It is a marvelous technology! They carry hundreds of passengers or tons of cargo and fly over 13 hours non-stop without refueling. They fly from DC, New York, Toronto, etc. to Addis non-stop in 11 to 13 hours. These airplanes pay the money invested on them faster than any other!

On the other hand, what can the Bombardier ones do? Do they even cover their own fuel expenses let alone pay pack the money dumped on their purchase? Look at it this way, neither Boeing nor the FAA has nothing to hide unlike their Canadian counterparts [Bombardier and CAA] who hushed up the SAS complaints against Bombardier and settled all the issues out of court! I have followed the release of the B-787 with interest and Boeing delayed its release many times citing safety concerns of one sort or another.

So long!
01/16/13 @ 21:11
Comment from: Mesfin B [Visitor]
አቶ አያለው ሞኙ ሰው አማኙ ( ስምህ ያስቃል) !!!
ባልከው እስማማለሁ::
ነገር ግን ከ 787 ፈንታ ጥሩ የሆነውና ብዙ መንገደኛ የሚይዘው 777 ይሻላል::
ከዚያም በላይ ለምን airbus fleet አይኖርም:: የተለያየ አውሮፕላን ካለ flexibilty ይኖራል ስለዚህም ቢዝነስ አይሞትም::
አሁን ባንድ ኮምፓኒ ተመክተን መስራት አደገና ነው እላለሁ::
01/16/13 @ 21:38
Comment from: addis zemen [Visitor]
If there is a known defect and a recall by Boieng, it is one way to go. But it apears all the mishap occured on Japanese Airliner, which begs to speculate some kind of CONSPIRACY THEORY against Boieng or particularliy on the 787 models. Who knows if somebody is doing a deliberate act of misplacing the fuses and batteries to create those small mishaps.
01/16/13 @ 22:02
Comment from: Sugar foot [Visitor]


Well, Mr. Tewolde needs to understand that the problem is not something that you ask passenger for a feedback, it is a technical issue. The makers are grounding the plane and why in the hell are those planes still flying. SAFTY for passengers is not something that you gamble with Mr. CEO.
01/16/13 @ 22:23
Comment from: ፊታውራሪ Free [Member]
I don't think Ethiopian can afford to suspend the services of its brand new air planes, but FAA's decision puts the airline on a bad and difficult position. It will and can ignore this only at its own peril. Just ground the goddamn planes till FAA reverses its decision, which i am confident it will sooner than the bitter employee of the Russian Civilian plane or Airbus maker Ayalew Mognu hopes and thinks. What a disappointment! According to many reports, all the problems encountered so far are minor and very far from major design problems, which means the solution is not something unreachable for Boeing's engineers and factory assemblers. Boeing simply cannot afford to fail on this one.
01/16/13 @ 22:33
Comment from: Ex Flight-Tech [Visitor]
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Wolde Ab (of asmara),

FYI: Only six 787s owned/delivered in U.S. (united airlines), that's why FAA can ground "entire fleet." Some glitches you only find after a machine operational for thousands of hours, not on test flights.

P.S. don't be a hater, wash your face and get educated.
01/16/13 @ 23:24
Comment from: john john [Visitor]
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Absolutely no as long us our 787 runs good with its fuel efficiency and customer connivence. This remind me the TOYOTAs trouble a year ago. Remmber we are a good customer not a competitive challenger.
01/17/13 @ 00:19
Comment from: Tariku [Visitor]
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All I know is I will not fly the plane to Ethiopia, until I get assurances about the safety of the plane.
01/17/13 @ 03:48
Comment from: sami [Visitor]
ET should accept Boeing advice.Safety first. Airplane is the most safest mode of transport.Most of jet planes have 4 engines and in case of engine problem they can fly with one engine safely.For each aircraft system 3 or more alternate system exist.In case of problem in one system they can fly with alternate system with out problem.Each system of aircraft is thoroughly checked and inspected by different sections before flight.Plane is safer than car / ship/train.
01/17/13 @ 04:53
Comment from: Third eye [Visitor]
I do agree with addis this time. There is nothing wrong with this plan but Japan are known as a panic population of the world. If you smoke in elevator with deliberate then you will see the entire building including evacuated . It is a conspirator act against boing. Why is it only japan but not other airline ???

I think we should keep on flying and even order more now with big discount. Smart move Ethiopia airlines.

There is nothing wrong with dream lines . Fly Ethiopia.
01/17/13 @ 05:50
Comment from: ermeyas [Visitor] Email
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Ato tewlde We make sure all our plane safe to operate each route
Because cost us human life as some time the company image on the world
So be ,be care full and please take it as series matter
As another courier take it series
01/17/13 @ 06:31
Comment from: Lemma [Visitor]
Dreamliners have suffered incidents including fuel leaks, a cracked cockpit window, brake problems and an electrical fire. However, it is the battery problems that have caused the most concern.

So far, all but one of the airlines currently flying Boeing 787s have grounded the planes.

All Nippon Airways and Japan Airways have grounded their combined fleet of 21 787s

United Airlines, the only US airline currently operating Dreamliners, said it would immediately comply with the FAA's directive and would begin re-accommodating customers on alternative aircraft

Chile's LAN announced it would suspend its three Dreamliners from service in co-ordination with the Chilean Aeronautical Authority

Indian aviation regulators also complied by ordering Air India to stop operating its 787s

Poland's Lot Airlines, the only European airline currently flying 787s, was due to launch its 787 transatlantic service this week, but cancelled a return flight from Chicago to Warsaw on Wednesday

Qatar Airways, which currently operates five Dreamliners, said it had grounded the planes and was "actively working with Boeing and the regulators to restore full customer confidence in the 787".

Executives at the remaining 787 operator, Ethiopian Airlines, were in a meeting about the FAA directive on Thursday morning, but have yet to announce the grounding of planes.
01/17/13 @ 06:37
Comment from: addis zemen [Visitor]
So far Boieng is expressing its confidence. That is the main point. Such a big company in the airlines business would never put its reputation on the line if there is a single serious problem.
Boieng already has sold 850 dreamliners, of which 50 have been deliverd and working. The main problem being the lithium ion battery over heating should have occured on all being flown across the globe. Ethiopian in that matter didn't encounter any such problem and said they're confident and satisfied with the dreamliners performance. If there were any serious problem, we should've been experianced on all airliners, especially a battery over heating, because of the design and nature of light weight shape on lithium ion batteries could be the main problem boieng is going to address.
As of now all of the dreamliners all over the world have been grounded until farther safety checks are concluded. And Boieng is working around the clock to make sure none of those problems exist.
Btw, why did none of the Europeans own the dreamliners, except Poland who has two? Is there a marketing sabotage? We know the big competator of boieng, the European Airbus, doesn't want to be dominated. And how do we forget the big feud between lockhed martin and Boieng over the fighter jets contract which ended with a lot of corrupted execs and politicians in millions of dollars bribe. Always think of that conspiracy theory behind any crisis.
"When writtenin chinese, the word 'crisis' is composed of two characters, one represents danger, the other opportunity". JFK,
01/17/13 @ 09:08
Comment from: visitor [Visitor]
Yes, it should. It is life! All those who bought this plane are grounding it now. I know the financial implication is huge but it is life. I believe the airlines staff are in a difficult situation to avoide flying this plane.

I was once on this plane in Addis. First, there was a delay to board. Then after we boarded the plane, they told us to wait a little bit until an electrical problem was resolved. We waited for about 2 hours inside the plane. The problem was never resolved and we had to get off and change. They just couldn't start it. Until this thing is sorted out I'll fly another airlines.
01/17/13 @ 09:13
Comment from: Seattle [Visitor]
typical AZ and his none-ending conspiracy theory...

"Btw, why did none of the Europeans own the dreamliners, except Poland who has two?"

Because they all have to wait in line. British Airways has orders for 24, Air France and KLM for 25 planes. even Russian aeroflot for 22 787s. Air Canada is waiting for 37.

First come first serverd.

This is not your typical Kebele store in Mekele where you go in front of the line becuase your uncle Hagos work there. you got to wait in line to get your piece of prize.
01/17/13 @ 10:06
Comment from: Third eye [Visitor]
I say. Buy more now than later with big discount. There is nothing wrong with dream lines.

Japan are the world superstitions ,panic and suicidal population. You have seen them walking with mask to protect them from virus. These are a 21century half human and half robot population . They get scare if you whistle on the street.

01/17/13 @ 10:16
Comment from: werner2010 [Visitor]
Addis zemen,
Boieng expressing its confidence is not the main point here, saftey of the crew and passengers is the main point. How could you talk about conspirecies when it is the engineers at American Federal Aviation Administration that warn it is not safe to fly this plane.
Our planes need to be grounded until the problems are located and solved, basta!
01/17/13 @ 10:28
Comment from: addis zemen [Visitor]
Seatle the talliban from torra borra,...

Thank you for the info! You must be really living in Seatle, your origin being torra borra. Or vise versa, you took a class at one of the madrassas in Torra Borra.
I know, whenever we talk about air planes, your mind goes in a different way of thinking. Your kind of opportunity is about destruction. What can you benefit from this glitch?
Well, the Europeans not fully commited and being late to order the dreamliner could be the economic crisis too.
01/17/13 @ 10:28
Comment from: Seattle [Visitor]
AZ,
First it was the Japanese conspiracy theory, then the European Airbus conspiracy. Now you bounce back to tell us that was the bad economy.

Stick with one story will ya?

Miskin neger.
01/17/13 @ 11:32
Comment from: Tamrat Tamrat [Visitor]
What does say eritv concerning the Dreamlines? Forgein news: EAL must ground all its 787.

My point is even News about plane is a forgein News.

Imagine tplf could have followed eplf's plan and tigray succeed like shabia land in 1993. The News could have been, some 20 donkeys were donated by the heros farmers to defend badme from the agressor tplf.

Ethiopia is not made of 21 years. Respect for Ethiopia!!
01/17/13 @ 13:21
Comment from: Tamrat Tamrat [Visitor]
What does say eritv concerning the Dreamlines? Forgein news: EAL must ground all its 787.

My point is even News about plane is a forgein News.

Imagine tplf could have followed eplf's plan and tigray succeed like shabia land in 1993. The News could have been, some 20 donkeys were donated by the heros farmers to defend badme from the agressor tplf.

Ethiopia is not made of 21 years. Respect for Ethiopia!!
01/17/13 @ 13:21
Comment from: Tamrat Tamrat [Visitor]
Addis zereleflafi

What does say eritv concerning the Dreamlines? Forgein news: EAL must ground all its 787.

My point is even News about plane is a forgein News.

Imagine tplf could have followed eplf's plan and tigray succeed like shabia land in 1993. The News could have been, some 20 donkeys were donated by the heros farmers to defend badme from the agressor of shabia.

Ethiopia is not made of 21 years. Respect for Ethiopia!!
01/17/13 @ 13:26
Comment from: hagos [Visitor]
@Seattle
You got or rote with your delusion! Which one is it?
01/17/13 @ 14:51
Comment from: emunate [Visitor]
When one dreamliner has come to have problem wither it electrical or batties anamalies then it is important for ethiopian airline to ground their dreamliners just to be on the safe side. even though Ethiopian ailine have not had any siginificant technical anamalies with the dreamliners but it best to do what is reccomanded by FAA to ground all dreamliners.
01/17/13 @ 15:03
Comment from: tazabi [Visitor]
I wouldn't fly on one of these until all issues are resolved. It's one thing to work on a bug and another thing to get on a buggy aircraft.
01/17/13 @ 15:32
Comment from: TEDDY [Visitor]
Yes of course .Because it's a question of Human Lives !!!!By the way Adgi ,what about your Saudis ,Sudanese ,Qataris masters who not fare from todays were linked with the International Jihadists .Where were then trained your Agazis beyond Shabya areas ,who financed them .You, Amice Banda ,know perfectly the whole response .SHABYAN ASS HOLE ,YE ARAB AKATTARRI ,TAFIA AMICE BANDA !!!!
01/17/13 @ 15:54
Comment from: Ash [Visitor]
To all hagerAmhara in this site.

U guys boycotting EAL...so what kind of safety u guys talking about..
01/17/13 @ 18:17
Comment from: Ash [Visitor]
I just wondering what kind of excuse those boycttor.... I checkmate u... There no move left u have to give up...

This like a thief advising a police officer to keep the jail open in case of fire...the police ask why the theif said it is safety thing..

01/17/13 @ 18:55
Comment from: Seattle [Visitor]
Uncle hagos from the kebele store,

guess what I said to AZ has offended you.

Calm down. I know you are not the first kebele clerk to help his family.

01/19/13 @ 05:11

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