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07/25/13

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Ethiopia: Response to Dula Abdu's July 23 article on nazret.com

Ethiopia: Response to Dula Abdu's July 23 article on nazret.com

Letter to the Editor:

nazret.com:
In his response to our article, The Oromo and the War on Terror in the Horn of Africa published by Al Jazeera, Dula Abdu makes several claims we would like to address. To provide some context, our article is an opinion piece featuring material drawn from the book The Thistle and the Drone: How America’s War on Terror Became a Global War on Tribal Islam (Brookings Institution Press, 2013). In the book, we examine 40 case studies involving various peoples and their often-difficult interactions with central governments, and how these conflicts were interpreted through the frame of anti-terrorism following the 9/11 attacks. For each case study we provide a brief historical and cultural background in the hope of contributing to understanding and knowledge. Our Oromo piece was the seventeenth article written for Al Jazeera drawing from The Thistle and the Drone, each focusing on a different case study.

In his response, Mr. Abdu suggests that the ultimate aim of our work is in fact to destabilize Ethiopia by sowing discord between its religious communities at the behest of the government of Egypt in an effort to halt the construction of a Nile dam project. We can assure Mr. Abdu that neither of us have any relationship with Egypt, or with Al Jazeera—which Mr. Abdu suggests is also involved—aside from contributing opinion pieces like so many other authors. Mr. Abdu also argues the casualty figures we cite from 19th century conflicts are incorrect and that “some believe this is part of the propaganda to destabilize and saw the seeds of division as envisioned by the Egyptian government." For the full source citations of these and all references found in our article and the other articles we have written for Al Jazeera drawing from the book, we would encourage Mr. Abdu to consult The Thistle and the Drone.

Finally, Mr. Abdu identifies himself as being from a southern Ethiopian family, and criticizes our use of history in the piece, stating “we have issues that are more pressing on hand.” We will note that this article, and The Thistle and the Drone, has sparked a constructive debate featuring a variety of different voices and opinions. One comment on the Al Jazeera article presenting an alternative Oromo view, for example, reads: “I would like to thank Ambassador Akbar Ahmed and Frankie Martin for this insightful, educated, and well researched article…I read the article in detail and I was amazed at how these two scholars put a short summary of my people.”

We welcome the opportunity to respond to Mr. Abdu and hope that this will help clarify the points that he raised. The objective of this article and The Thistle and the Drone is to, through scholarship and research, contribute to a greater understanding of the “war on terror” so peace, harmony, pluralism, and inclusion may be achieved in the nations that have become involved in it.

Akbar Ahmed and Frankie Martin
American University

50 comments

Comment from: Mamush [Visitor]
Mamush

Dear Nazret Editor:

Why are you posting stories that foment this kind of Ethnic garbage? What’s your point exactly? Who are these people that are writing this articles? Can their identity be verified by credentialed journalists working in this country? If not, don’t you think you have responsibility (perhaps duty) to be upfront with your readers? Or is it the editors are the authors themselves? A valid query that may not be far fetched? There is nothing wrong with it except transparency? My advise is delete this shit. Otherwise, be prepared to defend it in a very public manner that may open up for you a can of worms. Just as a reminder it’s 2013 not 2007. Times have changed, please change with it, or you will be changed by it.

07/25/13 @ 19:23
Comment from: Ali Roble [Visitor]
Ali Roble

What is all the fuss? This article is scholarly, far and balanced to the point. I can see lot hating, name-calling,paranoia, conspiracy, cursing and nauseating argument on the part of Habasha hard-liners and & co.

There is no doubt whether Minelik slaughtered and enslaved many nationalities including Oromos, Somalis, Afars, Sidamos and with the help of western colonial arsenal and with local collaborators, who were exclusively were amharized and forcefully baptized Oromo from Shewa and northern regions.

There was extensive damage,killing , maiming and robbing of their resources as western sources well documented and coached the genocide at the time. Case in point is when Minelik armed with of weapons from French laid sierge in the old city of Harar and the Somali region. This was led by Mekonning Gugsa and ruthless Mercinary general of Syrian/Armanain origin. One of my great uncles desperately escaped from the brutal attach to coastal area.

acknowledging, not pooling under the carpet, of such past injustice and will help in advancing recon. and healing process of the different communities.It would be of excercise of futility to think otherwise,

Al jezeera or not, There are binding international rules and norms when it come riparian (shared river water resources) issues treaties and the Nile water is not different. Such treaties are constantly updated and renegotiated among concerned nation and the Nile different. There thousands of rivers criss-crossing many nation around world and there are ways and means to solve disagreement over water resources. I wouldnt be surprised if the woyane regime is using this issue as a wedge issue shore up support from narrow-minded nationalist crowd to prolong its survival.

07/25/13 @ 20:22
Comment from: Qebenna [Visitor]
Qebenna

The armed struggle was conducted in order to achieve peace, harmony, pluralism and inclusion. Every honest Ethiopia observer will tell you that is what was achieved in Ethiopia.
Every nation and nationality is administrating itself including the Oromo, their questions were answered. In Ethiopian constitution you don’t mix religion and politics. In the federal system the Oromiya administration gets the largest portion of the federal budget because of its’ population size.
The reason Ethiopia’s economy is one of the fastest is due to its good security and peace and harmony. There is nothing outside enemies can do and Ethiopians know that.

07/25/13 @ 21:04
Comment from: ፊታውራሪ Free [Member]

“To provide some context, our article is an opinion piece featuring material drawn from the book…”

Akbar Ahmed and Frankie Martin, what are you two exactly teaching or studying in that a university of banality? I hope it has nothing to do with analytical history. If your confused and fabricated articles at Al jazeera and here at nazret indicate anything, it would be your excessive timidity on researching, analyzing, understanding and reporting history. You are absolutely bad at it, not even good enough to cover up the religious bias and ulterior motive in your article. And yet, to give weight to your rubbish that would never make it let say on Washington Post’s website or any academic journal with a good standing, you added the name American University at the end. Unlike al jazeera and its herds, we were not impressed. What you have posted on the pan arabist news website is nothing more than an opinion piece, which you have admitted here. It is an overly bended opinion that could not be mended or reformed by “a featured material drawn from a book". What kind of book constitutes any of the material we saw in that article of yours? A truly bad one, if i may answer. I bet you shamelessly claim your book is a scholarly work resulted from arduous academic research and analysis. I am just wondering whether American university is the other name of Guantanamo Bay? It is hard to believe a team of academicians with unlimited access to information can write an article as bad as like yours.

07/25/13 @ 21:19
Comment from: Ethiopiawinet [Visitor]
Ethiopiawinet

Dear nazret Editor:

Why only Amhara tribe who ruled the country for a century with discrimination shy of facts on the ground. They try to bury anything that exposes their past crimes.

This is history, this is fact, try to swallow the bitter truth. Truth always sour to swallow it.
If you accept your past crimes nothing wrong. We will fix the future by taking lessons from the past.

Akbar Ahmed and Frankie Martin
Please, please we need more of this in the future.
Thank you for letting us our hidden history in 21st century.

In the mean time we will burg feudal remnants who are fanatic, extremist rigid Coptics mentality from our country.

07/25/13 @ 21:24
Comment from: Gragn Ahmed [Visitor]
Gragn Ahmed

Which part of the article you believe is distorted Mr Know it all, fitawrari?

As usual your nerve suffers beyond repairable damage when something to your liking is not written. Who is your reference for Ethiopia history? who is the reference for the history of Islam or Oromo? To the bewilderment of any honest Ethiopia, the so called chronicles of Ethiopia, the Kibre negest, made no mention of the most significant event in the history of Islam, the Hijra or migration of the disciples of Prophet Mohammed peace be upon him. As usual your references are such very bestial pedophilic priests of the Orthodox church who are very biased and discriminatory. Which part of the history of Ethiopia is true? What do we know about the real face of Menelik II?

Instead of arguing for the substance you very boastfully tried to belittle this well articulated writers. The writer has no reason to side with one or the other. He laid the facts, and as the old saying goes : the truth hurts.

Hence, you are burning in your crucible comtemplating how to make your next nasty move against these well respected scientists. The original source for the book on Arsi Oromo is the author Abbas Hajji, why do not you just bring him to the site and interview him?

The fact of the matter is that Menelik II was brutal as to cut women’s breasts. Thanks to his Ras Dache who was coward and feeble.

07/25/13 @ 22:01
Comment from: addiszemen [Member]  
addiszemen

Is Islam religion in the verge of extinction by wiping out itself from the face of the earth?
As long as the fire in the middle east continues to ignite, especially the bloody war between the shea and Sunni Muslims, which gave a new life to alqaida, the outcome at the end “if there is an end to it” will be a very murky one which gives the world a different face.
The war within the Muslims is just getting started. The rivalry is so bitter and un merciful.
Iran with hizibullah helping the Syrian regime vs Saudi Arabia and emirates siding with Muslim brotherhood in Egypt, all kinds of conspiracy theories can be built. But at the end of the day, the fire is far from being extinguished, rather seems to consume the whole Muslim religion.
If some how all this chaos in the Muslim world especially in the middle east find a better outcome, it will be a triumphant and peaceful Islam on the graveyard of Muslim extremists and alqaida terrorists. Amen to that, and hope our peaceful Muslim Ethiopian brothers and sisters would benefit from the positive outcome.
Meanwhile the opportunity seekers wanna be Muslim advocates and the small time Muslim extremists and terrorists in Ethiopia will be run over and treated like insignificant a road kill rats they are. And don’t matter anyway, one way or the other.

07/25/13 @ 22:34
Comment from: Gonfa [Visitor]
Gonfa

A corny, feckless, tasteless, cheap propaganda piece by two clumsy liars on a dishonorable mission paid for by Aljazeera to serve the Egyptian Nile concern [by proxy]. As we say in Amharic:
1. A donkey husband cannot save [his mare lover] from Hyena.
2. We don’t hold noses for donkey’s _ _ _ _
All in all, Aljazeera’s venture is futile. This is only sign that the media giant is now heading downhill. At this point, if at all Aljazeera should engage in saving any one, it should rather be its own self first [and then perhaps Egypt, if it could]. If is rather in a hurry to hit the bottom, then better look for and hire smarter asses. There are quite many and better ones out there willing and able to undertake even much awkward tasks for a mere pittance.
Money intoxicates; excess money thickens the head.

07/25/13 @ 22:34
Comment from: Ayalew Mognu / Sew Amagnu [Visitor]
Ayalew Mognu / Sew Amagnu

Hello Ethios,

Forget what Ethiopia’s Talibans and Egypt’s thugs like Gragn Ahmed, OLF, Shabia, Weyane, etc. concoct to destabilize and destroy Ethiopia. Here are my final words for those scumbags : Ethiopia calls all the shots regarding Abbay; no Egyptian mercenary of one color or another can stop that!

As to Menelik-II, Menelik-II is an honorable Ethiopian hero of all times! Here are Menelik’s Declaration of the Abolition of Slavery and Menelik’s letter to Abba Jiffar [as chronicled by Paulos Gno Gno (a veteran Oromo journalist) and as posted on “The Ethiopian Book Column” by a Theodros Kidane] and other articles.

1. Menelik founded the first modern bank, postal system, introduced electricity, telephone and first motor car Click here

2. Menelik’s Proclamation (Awaj) to Abolish Slavery
“I have told you … to stop selling and buying slaves… abolish this inhuman practice… If you are found buying and selling slaves, I will remove you from your land… “
Click here

3. Menelik’s letter to Abba Jiffar
“…The Oromo that came to your administrative region from Jangero should not and must not be treated as a slave… No human being is as such a slave…Just because one is destined to be a ruler, it does not give this person the right to be inhuman to others…. The poor should be free to live wherever they wish.” Click here

4. Menelik’s proclamation (Awaj): ” Appointment is according to one’s experience and record."… Dejazmach Gobena Dachew, Dejazmach Balcha, Ras Wolde-Ghiorgis

Menelik to Gobena: ” I give you Wolde Giorgis (Menelik’s own cousin) as your servant so that he learns to work hard and learns how to fight…” Click here

5. Menelik’s Proclamation regarding respect for craftsmen Click here

6. Other links to Menelik’s works: Click here

So long & God bless!

07/25/13 @ 23:03
Comment from: creepy a.. crackka [Visitor]
creepy a.. crackka

Since when you started writing about Ethiopian history?
Whatever you say we Ethiopians are ready to challenge you.
At the end we will figure out the motive behind your article.

07/25/13 @ 23:24
Comment from: Ayalew Mognu / Sew Amagnu [Visitor]
Ayalew Mognu / Sew Amagnu

Hello Ethios,

What does Akbar Ahmed take us for? He writes the “book” (The Thistle and the Drone: How America’s War on Terror became a Global War on Tribal Islam) himself and he tells us that he only quoted what is written in the “book” (as though somebody else wrote it). He is really one heck of a Pakistani “Ambassador” and one hell of a “Professor” at “American University”!

Ethiopia’s Oromos know who they are and where they come from; it is only Shabia’s and Egypt’s mercenaries like the OLF (“Oromo Liberation Front”) which take “history lessons” from “historians” like Isayas Afewrki of “Eritrea” that don’t know Oromos.

I have news for scumbags who don’t now Oromos, who try to belittle Oromos and who insult Oromos’ intellignce: Menelik’s Oromo Cavalry went from Shewa all the way to Adowa and liberated Tigray from Italian invasion. So, if OLF’s “Oromia” crap had been true, the Oromos would have liberated “Oromia” within a blink of an eye! Do you get that straight you scumbags?

Let’s see, if OLF’s Oromia crap were true, how come the OLF and its allies (“Egypt”, “Eritrea”, etc.) failed to liberate a square inch of land in “30 years of armed struggle to liberate Oromos”? Oromos know themselves and the truth!

How dumber can you Talibans get? Yes, Weyane is brutal and evil, but concocting stories, distorting facts and dirty smear campaigns won’t remedy Weyane’s injustice!

PS: The Ethio-Taliban (Gragn Ahmed) wrote some rubbish (as usual):

1. It is definitely not an Orthodox priest who married an 8-year-old child; check out if it is your prophet Mohammed or his disciples who do/did that! At least, that clears the Orthodox priests from pedophilia!

2. Ethiopians are known for their hospitality since the beginning of time. Yes, Ethiopia gave refuge to the disciples of Mohammed fleeing the barbarian Arabs of Saudi Arabia. Guess what these same Muslims did to their Ethiopian hosts: They burned their hosts’ churches down! There you go; that was Ethiopia’s first taste of Muslim barbarism. “Thank you very much, indeed!”

Shouldn’t Ethiopia deport your Taliban ass back to Saudi Arabia and watch you live under the bridges of savage Saudis?

So long & God bless!

07/25/13 @ 23:50
Comment from: Seattle [Visitor]
Seattle

Ali Roble [Visitor],
Spot on.
What do you expect from a bunch of Woyane cadres and loud mouth paranoid extremist Copts in diaspora recycling the same old trash. Lately, they both seem to find a common ground.

@AZ.
You said “Is Islam religion in the verge of extinction?
Really?
Keep dreaming clue less Cadre. A Billion and half strong and growing. Unlike yours, it is not confined to one corner of one country. From China and Philippines, all the way to Morocco, from Turkey all the way to South Africa, Even in Western Europe and North America. In my book, that is a sign of flourishing not extinction. In the meantime look at your numbers. Your denomination couldn’t keep up with the changing world like Dinosaur. Shall I say the word PENTE? If it is not for those, thanks to your bosses at Arat Kilo, the ruthless, God-less Woyanes, who split the remaining church along the tribal lines to suite their divide and conquer strategy.

07/26/13 @ 01:14
Comment from: Assta B. Gettu [Visitor]
Assta B. Gettu

Any article that claims King Menelik of Christian Ethiopia has slaughtered five million people of his own is not a scholarly researched article: it is an article purposely crafted, falsely documented, secretly contrived, poorly edited, and carelessly approved by the adversaries of an internationally well-recognized, admired, praised, and envied country – Ethiopia, the land of Menelik the great, Menelik the innovator, Menelik the conqueror, and Menelik the defender of Christianity.

The whole world is a reference book that Ethiopia has had renowned kings and queens who ruled Yemen, Egypt, and traded across the Indian Ocean. If such kings like Menelik II had not existed in Ethiopia why did Muhammad the Prophet then send his persecuted family to the Christian land of Ethiopia? Why did the Greek historian, Herodotus, the father of history, wrote that Ethiopians are handsome, generous and their country is full of gold, and the way they choose their kings is different from the rest of the world (Herodotus: The Histories, c 430 BCE, Book III); Herodotus, The History, trans. George Rawlinson(New York: Dutton & Co., 1862)?

To the unlearned and narrow-minded people any Ethiopian chronicle that does not record in detail the history of Islam and its followers is considered bogus, but something to be in a history book, there must be first a genuine character that has contributed indispensable progress to the country: Islam has brought or contributed nothing to Ethiopia, for that matter to the world, except to pray five times a day; even the fictitious Quran does not tell Muslims to pray five times a day; therefore, it is a fact we don’t have a real history book of Islam because Islam is a newly imported ideology from Mecca; it is not even a religion according to the norms of the two great religions – Judaism and Christianity.

Gragn Ahmed, you have crossed the line when you blatantly say: “As usual your references are such very bestial pedophilic priests of the Orthodox church who are very biased and discriminatory.”

You cannot give me a single reference that a priest from the Ethiopian Orthodox Tewahido Church has ever raped a 9-year-old girl or has enslaved or kept women captives in his house, but I can give you plenty of references that your pedophile Muhammad the false prophet (May curse be upon him!) had violated God’s law by murdering over 900 Jews of Yathrib (Medina) and by raping girls and boys when he was advocating the reign of terror on the kafirs and plundering their properties.

In this case, who is more brutal, more immoral, greedier, and more deceptive, Muhammad or Menelik II? Let the 9-year-old Aisha, the child wife of the 54-year-old Muhammad the prophet, tell the dark history of Muhammad and let Queen Zewditu witness the bright history of her husband, Emperor Menelik, who ruled Ethiopia with justice and love of his country.

07/26/13 @ 01:33
Comment from: Gragn Ahmed [Visitor]
Gragn Ahmed

Professor Akbar,

I wish you did not respond to the so called self appointed Oromo Dula whose real name we do not know? If nazret.com lables accusations it will come back to it as they post articles from unanimous people. It is a requirement for the authors to disclose their personal information.

Here is another clip which showed actually Oromos were killed and even more than 6 million not 5 million.

http://www.ethiotube.net/video/15595/Menelik-II-genocide-of-59-million-Oromo–Documentary-part-I

07/26/13 @ 01:34
Comment from: Gragn Ahmed [Visitor]
Gragn Ahmed

If so, we need to challenge this guy as to how he denied the massacre of women at Anole Arsi and Azule by Ras Duche the uncle of Menelik II and the annihilation of Garar at Chelenko at the order of Menelik II. Women breast were cut off at Arsi. Does this guy not have a mother or a sister or daughters? I saw that he atleast have a relative by the name Beredu Abdu and he got at least two daughters on his pictures with them. Does he deny this too? I see that he owns a real estate does he also deny some of their records? This is about integrity. He planned to transform internet usage n Ethiopia too although he claimed the government denied him. What is his real job? He is everywhere.

Although we need to keep one Ethiopia, we can not deny the cruel past history. Otherwise , Oromos must go, it is their right. The problem is people like who deny their real Oromo identity like Ras Gobena Darge.

Like tsegaye Gebre Medhin, etc.

I for one am not against Amhara culture. I want Addis to stay vibrant but Oromos need to be free. Oromos are everywhere including in Gondar palace and Wello and Raya Tigre. They are makers of modern Ethiopia but under Amhara banner changing their identity. Oromos need to be equal stake holders of that country. However making Oromina official language may complicate our life. Oromo regions however need to have full freedom. I love the modern culture of Ethiopia with full democracy.

Oromia shall be free!!Somalia shall be free. Afar shall be free. All Ethiopians shall be free. Stop cultural oppression!

07/26/13 @ 02:32
Comment from: Assta B. Gettu [Visitor]
Assta B. Gettu

Ethiopiawinet (visitor),

The noble and gentle Amhara people have never been afraid of telling the facts that they have ruled Ethiopia they had created and administered justice to their people. If you continue to dig the past history of the Amharas, you will come up with something more precious than gold, and that precious gold is the Amhara history, but if I am allowed to dig in Medina, I am sure I will come up with thousands of dead bodies slaughtered and buried by your prophet Muhammad.

You wrote: “We will fix the future by taking lessons from the past.” How can the future be fixed by an indolent Muslim of your kind who has totally failed to fix the present deplorable conditions of the Arab-Muslim world? Muslims have never solved a single problem, and that is why they are leaving their own country and migrating in great number to the west, and that is why Muhammad the prophet, who failed to solve his own problem, sent his own family to Ethiopia.

Naively, you stated: “In the mean time we will burg feudal remnants who are fanatic, extremist rigid Coptics mentality from our country.”

First, you must purge your own Jihadism, lies, and deceptions before you try to cleanse someone’s faults: the Christian rule is “You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye” (Matthew 7:5).

Ethiopiawinet, you must accept you are the minorities in the Christian land of Ethiopia; if not we will ask you to read Vladimir Putin’s speech on February 4, 2013 to the Duma (Russian Parliament). In his memorable speech, he said:

“In Russia live Russians. Any minority, from anywhere, if it wants to live in Russia, to work and eat in Russia, should speak Russian, and should respect the Russian laws. If they prefer Sharia Law, then we advise them to go to those places where that’s the state law. Russia does not need minorities. Minorities need Russia, and we will not grant them special privileges, or try to change our laws to fit their desires, no matter how loud they yell ‘discrimination’. We better learn from the suicides of America, England, Holland and France, if we are to survive as a nation. The Russian customs and traditions are not compatible with the lack of culture or the primitive ways of most minorities. When this honorable legislative body thinks of creating new laws, it should have in mind the national interest first, observing that the minorities are not Russians.”

Therefore, Mr. Ethiopiawinet, you must be thankful to the Ethiopian Christians who have never discriminated you, harassed you, or considered you second citizens. You have all the privileges other Ethiopians have had. We want you to discard your Jihadism and stop your friendship with the Egyptian Muslims and live in peace with the rest of us.


07/26/13 @ 02:43
Comment from: addiszemen [Member]  
addiszemen

Arab spring should be called Arab disaster or Arab tornedo, which by now is on the process of consuming and dismantling the Arab world piece by piece.
Look in Tunisia “the starting ground of Arab spring", a mass strike has been called and they may be forced to ground the whole air traffic, which could be the beginning of the demise of the nation.
Today in Egypt, both sides, opponents and supporters of Morsi have called for a big Friday demonstration. May God have mercy on these people, it looks like they might devour each other.
In the meantime, thank God for EPRDF’s strong and wise leadership, with the foundation of our brilliant visionary leader the late PM the great Meles Zenawi, we Ethiopians don’t have to waste our precious time with unnecessary and destructive rivalry. Instead we keep building our nation up in every sector successfully.

07/26/13 @ 04:57
Comment from: Tibebu [Visitor]
Tibebu

People can have different views on different issues. Those views might be right or wrong.We, as Ethiopian have our own views about the right and wrong things which were done or committed in the past. We cannot, however,say that the “all or none” rule applies.There is a lesson we had learnt from the past .A lesson that helps us to build on the good and put an end to the bad. These are our issue- Ethiopian issues and I don’t think we need someone from some corner in the middle east to use it to stir up our differences, divide and weaken us.
The people who wrote and “aired” this article may argue that this being “a historic fact” but do you not think the timing of this article is crucial? Does it not collude with the Egyptian Cabinet (under Morsi) that they have to try to use all means to destabilise Ethiopia? I think Mr Dula Abdu’s view cannot be disregarded.

07/26/13 @ 10:21
Comment from: tom [Visitor]
tom

One whoo does not tell his sickness, he will not find the medicine for his illness, goes the proverb. In spite of the statistics quotes, Oromos have suffered for over one hundred years under Minilik’s Empire. It is time to admit the true history of Ethiopia to bring peace in the country.

07/26/13 @ 10:23
Comment from: Bortola [Visitor]
Bortola

Dear Assta,
You may praise your Minilik/Amhara as you may wish. But that does not change the reality all Ethiopians and particularly Oromos know. Minilik was a cruel murder: He sliced arms from the male and breast from the female and killed millions particularly in Arsi and Harge. This is a recorded history of yesterday (about 100 years). The Ethiopian history you are proud of is no more than a fabricated fairy-tell, crafted around you insecurity, dehumanizing the Oromo and praising the Amhara. As you guys claim Amharas ruled Ethiopia for over 3k years and look at where they have gotten the country to. Does that make you born to rule as you guys claim. Leave alone development, Ethiopia is still begging food in a land of abundance. Can you look at rural Wollo of Amara areas, Gondor, North Shoa and Gojam and tell me why so much misery/poverty. Tell me your development/civilization, good governance etc. I am not surprised because lying is your culture. You guys are not born to rule but to lie.

07/26/13 @ 11:57
Comment from: Gragn Ahmed [Visitor]
Gragn Ahmed

What is a pedophile?
He is sneaky.
He is illegal.
He is womanizer.
He is violating the law.
He hunts for children over older men.
He is known to be cruel to women.

Addis zemen,
You are truly banal when you state Islam is going extinct. Royal family of Britain will soon follow. We have the first American President who is from Muslim roots but secretly serving Christians. He even served Jews with nice looking Arab women who are eager to offer anything to their Jew bosses. thanks Obama for being a true hater of Islam.

Jews were protected under Islam. Unless there was a reason for them to be targeted Jews preferred to live in Islamic societies. A case in point is how they got prosecuted under Christians of Spain (Spanish Inquisition) and Portugese Inquision and Roma Inquisition. All of these were against fake jew converts (crypto Jews) who were hiding in the midst of the Christians and pretending to be good Christians while they were Jewish inside. Muslims and Jews were targets after Spain fell in the hands of Christians. Muslims most of them got expelled. Sad. This happened in the 15th century. The same way the Portugese in Gondar mutilated Amhara Muslims asking them to be Christians like they did to Jews in the 15th century. Indeed, all Christian Kings forced Ethiopian Muslims to act like them and to be like them and to be shy of their true Islamic identity.

Ayalew Monu,

You are cursed Wayane. You are Tigre Taliban or Christian fanatic. Your Azeb Gola is a typical prostitute.

Fix your own problems before you point fingers at Muslims.

Our Prophet had a chosen female Aisha who was young. Her age is not strictly known in fact , al Tabari puts her age to 19. But even if Aisha was young, she loved her holy Husband our beloved Prophet, they had legal marriage, their people have loved their marriage, their kins loved their marriage, there was no physical marriage to her and she was happy with her life. Plus, such marriage was known even by Prophets that were sent before him. Abraham did marry Hajar and he was 83 while Hagar was ?

What about Marry?

Mary was a young girl, probably only about 12 or 13 years old when the angel Gabriel came to her. She had recently become engaged to a carpenter named Joseph. Mary was an ordinary Jewish girl, looking forward to marriage. Suddenly her life would forever be changed.

Mary was fearful and troubled in the presence of the angel. She could never have expected to hear the most incredible news — that she would have a child, and her son would be the Messiah. Although she could not comprehend how she would conceive the Savior, she responded to God with belief and obedience.”

If Marry can get pregnant at 12 or 13, it is lawful in the Bible to be pregnant at 13 and it is lawful to be married at 12 or 13. What Christians are doing is denying their own scriptures and defaming everything Islam is all about. That is what they have been doing for the last 1400 years.

While their Kings and their Priests are known to be involved in all sorts of sexual pedophiles, they try to cherry pick on our noble Prophet who was a loving husband, a non discriminating husband, a good teacher for all Humanity.

This only shows how wicked Christians of Ethiopia are especially the Wayane cadres who mock on Islam and would love it to go away because they hate the truth. Menelik II was known to be a womanizer which is illegal in any law. He loved to cut breasts of women too. That is irony.
He was savage. His methods were cruel to defeat his enemies and he was indeed coward.

07/26/13 @ 12:27
Comment from: m_amsalu [Member]  
m_amsalu

To Gragn Mohammed:
Are you Eritrean? If you were Oromo, you would have known the Oromo history.
You say the Oromos, Somalis, Afars shall be free. From themselves? The Afars,Somalis, Oromos, Amharas, Tigres,Gurages etc. are Ethiopians.

Between 5 and 6 million Oromos killed by Menelik. That would make the about the whole population of the Oromos that time. How can you believe that? If so, the Oromo population today would have been tiny.

Ethiopians do not cut the breasts of women. If you are Oromo and have lived in Ethiopia, you would have known our ways. We are good people as your Prophet ones told his followers. Do you know that your Prphet mourned for several days when the Ethiopian king Ishama died?

We are good people and have never massacred or cut breasts of women.

07/26/13 @ 13:04
Comment from: Mamush [Visitor]
Mamush

Dear Nazret:

We have learned noting from this except the same old ethnic bating by your website. Ethiopians are not as morons as you make them out to be in your comments.

Please, you’re fooling and amusing nobody but yourself.

Bertu Gobezoch!

07/26/13 @ 14:36
Comment from: Assta B. Gettu [Visitor]
Assta B. Gettu

Gragn Ahmed (visitory),

Gragn Ahmed says Prophet Muhammad was a noble prophet, a loving husband, an indifferent person, and a good teacher for all humanity:

1. Was Muhammad really a noble Prophet? A noble prophet is someone who does not encourage his followers to tell a lie. Muhammad permitted his followers to tell a lie:

“Muhammad bin Maslamah said, ‘O Messenger, we shall have to tell lies.’ ‘Say what you like,’ Muhammad replied. ‘You are absolved, free to say whatever you must’” (Ishaq: 365; Tabari VII: 94).

2. Was Muhammad a loving husband? A loving husband is a husband who respects his wife, but Muhammad had abused his child wife Aisha by beating and punching her on her chest: “Muhammad struck his favorite wife, Aisha, in the chest one evening.” Aisha narrates: “He [Muhammad] struck me on the chest which caused me pain” (Muslim 4:2127). The abusive husband Muhammad had also declared: “A man will not be asked as to why he beats his wife” (Abu Dawud 11, 2142). The fictitious Quran also recommends Muslim men to beat their wives: “And take in your hand a green branch and beat her with it, and do not break your oath…” (38:44).

One day, an abused “woman came to Muhammad and begged him to stop her husband from beating her. Her skin was bruised so badly that she it is described as being ‘greener’ than the green veil she was wearing. Muhammad did not admonish her husband, but instead ordered her to return to him and submit to his sexual desires” (Bukhari 72:715).

3. Was Muhammad an indifferent or an impartial prophet? An impartial prophet is one who respects every human being the same way, regardless of color, religion, gender, and race, but Muhammad was not that type of person. As a partial or bias person, Muhammad killed Safiyah’s husband in front her and raped her right away before she buried her dead husband (Bukhari: V5B59N524).

An impartial prophet does not allow someone to kill another person; however, Muhammad said: “Who is willing to kill Ha’b bin Ashraf…? Thereupo Muhammad bin Maslamah got up saying, ‘O Allah’s Apostle! Would you like me to kill him/’ The Propheet said, ‘Yes,’ Maslamah said, ‘Then allow me to say false things in order to deceive him.’ The Prophet said, ‘You may say such things’” (Bukhari: V5B59N369).

4. Was Muhammad really a good teacher for all human beings? A good teacher is one who believes all human beings are one, but Muhammad teaches “Muslims are one Ummah (community) to the exclusion of all men” (Ishaq :231). A good teacher is someone who does not curse but blesses others; however, we see Muhammad cursing the Jews and the Christians: “Allah’s curse be on Jews and Christians” (Bukhari: V5B59N727).

I have demonstrated with clear evidence that Muhammad the prophet had never been a noble prophet, a loving husband, an indifferent man, and a good teacher. I want now someone to disprove my evidence and tell me otherwise.

My final message to the civilized world is never accept any article or book authored and published by any Arab-Muslim person because Muslims, as one of the above evidence indicates, lie all the time, and that is why they have the word “taqiyya,’ and based on this Islamic word, taqiyya, Muslims say Menelik II had killed 5 million Oromos. Even if he had done that, it was in the past, but in our time, today, how many innocent people are being slaughtered every day by the Jihadist Muslims and how many Churches, Synagogues, and Temples are being burned down?

I am finally delighted that the Almighty God has brought chaos and confusion to the Arab Muslim world, and they are now killing each other and destroying their own countries. I am sure they will blame the west for the befuddlements they have incurred.


07/26/13 @ 16:42
Comment from: Daniel [Visitor]
Daniel

Does this Ahmed Gragn guy have a job. he is always posting garbage on this website. Probably living on welfare in some kind of government housing in America or Europe. Funny thing is he calls Christians Devils when he is living in Christian Western country and they are housing and feeding his entire family. Right Ahmed? ??? LOL…..dumb*ass hypocrite!

any how. Those of you who call Orthodox priests child lovers. Are you kidding me ? seriously ? I can post thousands of youtube videos for you guys where your Islamic scholar Sheihks are justifying how a 50 year old man can marry 12 year old girl according to Sharia…..some girls even as young as 8. I can post it. Do you guys want to see that?
they said it’s allowed in Sharia. ARe you f**cken kidding me ?? Shamelessly they are trying to justify Pedophilia. And what’s even more sick is the government of these Islamic countries allow them to get away with it. even assist them arrest the girl that refuses.

so Any of you guys who deny this: keep living in your twisted world but thanks to internet the whole world knows and they won’t be able to get away with it for much longer.

People are rising. Look what happened in Egypt: The Brotherhood Jihadist came and they thought they can impose their sick version of Islam on the people including been able to marry 12 year old girls BUT the intelligent people of Egypt rejected them with absolute authority. Because they know these Islamists will take Egypt back one thousand years with their backward thinking.
Tunisians are also rejecting islamists.

Trust me end of these none sense religious backwardness is finished.

Bob Marley has said it: ” you can fool some people sometime but you can’t fool all the people all the time”

Just watch this Video of 12 year old Egyptian boy and you will be amazed how he destroys Muslim Brotherhoods agenda: Amazing! Don’t even need to say any word. Just watch !!! Genius

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkcNxqSHFjQ

07/26/13 @ 17:05
Comment from: Assta B. Gettu [Visitor]
Assta B. Gettu

Bortola (visitor),

I will praise all the Ethiopian kings, queens, princes, princesses, nobles, neftegnas, priests, debteras, memhirs, and deacons: All these people are the ones who defended their county from the backward and barbarian Muslims. Especially, I will praise Emperor Menelik for taming the south and bringing the inhabitants of the south into the civilized community of the Ethiopian Christians. I will praise him as he was the founder of Addis Ababa, a beautiful, a shining, and a vivacious city.

You stated: “Menelik was a cruel murderer….” You are absolutely wrong! Menelik II was a peace maker, a gentler, a defender, a protector, and a father of all the Ethiopian people. His people used to call him: “Emiye Menelik.” He was indeed like a caring mother and like a good father. Ethiopia has been blessed for producing such outstanding leaders and bright stars in the dark continent of Africa.

You don’t have your own history: your history is the history of the Amhara people; your language is the language of the Amhara people; your culture is the culture of the Amhara people; your land is the land of the Amhara people; your God is the God of the Amhara people. You exist because of the Amhara people; your blood is the blood of the Amhara people; the air you breathe is the air of the Amhara people; the food you eat and the water you drink – they all emanate from the Amhara people. Without the Amhara people, you will have no life. You will be a dead person! This is the past and the present true history of Ethiopia. You should know you are an epiphyte, and without the good tree – the Amhara – you will never grow by yourself. The Amhara people give you some nourishment, and then you can grow.

If the Amhara history is dehumanizing you instead of ennobling you, if the Amhara history is discouraging you instead of inspiring you, and if the Amhara history is burying you instead of resurrecting you, then it is time for you to immigrate to Egypt or to Saudi Arabia and find your roots there and reclaim your Islamic history. Ethiopia is a Christian country, and the history of Ethiopia is the history of Christianity, not the history of Islam.

When one goes to Rome, one does what the Romans do as the old adage says; therefore, when you live in the Christian land of Ethiopia, you do what the Ethiopian Christians do.

You mentioned about poverty in Ethiopia; no country in this world is completely free of poverty. In America, the most advanced country, we find many poor people, begging for money; there are hundreds of homeless people in every country, and Ethiopia is not the exception. The great teacher, Jesus Christ, once said: “You will always have the poor among you, but you will not always have me” (John 12:8). It is true, we will always have the poor among us, but we will never have that great King, Emperor Haile Selassie, that great King, Menelik II, that great King Emperor Yohannes, and all the other Ethiopian great kings and queens among us.

Peace to the friends of Ethiopia and total destruction to her enemies!

07/26/13 @ 19:14
Comment from: Ethiopiawinet [Visitor]
Ethiopiawinet

addis zemen
You always wish evil for others in order to prolong your span of life. You are devil terrorist.

All of the sudden 45 million Ethiopian Muslims became minority for you while less than 100,000 Al Ahbash cult Muslims counted as majority.
We will see if you can run over those 45 million Muslims or you’ll be run over by them Mr fascist killer.
Those 45 m one day will be free like South Sudan and Eritrea. Take my word.
Your boss refused to listen to their voices.

07/26/13 @ 19:23
Comment from: Assta B. Gettu [Visitor]
Assta B. Gettu

Interesting article to read:
Islamic Clerics Oppose Lebanese Law Protecting Abused Women (July 25, 2013)

“Despite the deep political rift between Sunnis and Shiites in Lebanon, clerics from both sects agreed on the refusal of the draft law. At the beginning of May 2011, Deputy Secretary-General of Hezbollah Sheikh Naim Qassem announced his opposition to an article in the law that stipulates the following: “Whoever coerces his wife by violence and threat into sexual intercourse shall be imprisoned for offense of domestic violence.” This article made both Sunnis and Shiites coordinate a movement rejecting women’s protection. On July 26, 2011, the Sunni Mufti reiterated again, “Muslims in Lebanon refuse a draft law that violates the Sharia provisions derived from the Quran and the Hadith, which protect and safeguard women and families in our society.” Then, on August 8, 2011, a meeting between Sunni and Shiite clerics re-stressed both parties’ rejection of the draft law that was considered to be inspired by “the directives of Western organizations and their dubious sources of funding.”
Based on all these stances, it becomes clear that the reasons for their refusal are as follows:
First, the clerics refuse because their authority on personal status laws is undermined. They are clinging to their status as the only authority governing the affairs of individuals and the family — outside the purview of the state’s institutions, even when the rights or physical safety of individuals are being violated.
Second, the clerics refuse the principle of equality between men and women stipulated in secular Lebanese laws because, through the lens of some, it negates the provisions of Sharia law. In that concern, verses 12 and 34 of Surat An-Nisa’ in the Quran respectively read: “A male shall have as much as the share of two females [regarding inheritance],” and, “Men are guardians over women.”
Third, and what is more complicated and problematic, is that the clerics refuse any clear and explicit secular law that punishes a man in the event that he physically abuses his wife or any woman that is seen as being under his control according to religious conviction. This is because according to some, this law negates the explicit aforementioned Quranic text (i.e., Surat An-Nisa’, verse 34): “As to those women on whose part you fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them (first), (Next), refuse to share their beds, (And last) beat them (lightly); but if they return to obedience, seek not a way against them: For Allah is Most High, great (above you all).” A number of clerics see, in accordance with this verse, that beating a woman is possible and permitted.
Fourth, the clerics reject that marital rape be considered an offense. This was mentioned in the aforementioned statement of Dar al Ifta, arguing that the suggested law on protecting women “introduces new crimes such as the heresy of the rape performed by the husband against his wife and the criminalization of this act.”
Sheikh Nabil al-Wazza, a media official from the Islamic Association for Preachers, explained this point in a speech on June 17, 2011, when he reiterated, “The obedience of the wife to the husband is an obligation in Islam.” Sharia refuses to consider “the coercion of a wife into sexual intercourse as sexual assault; this is the right of the husband.” Wazza based his view on a statement attributed to the Prophet Muhammad, in which he says: “If a man invited his wife [to his bed] and she refused, the angels will damn her until the morning.” Wazza averred that “equality [between men and women] opposes the core of the Islamic faith.”

This is the fate of a Muslim woman in the Arab-Muslim world: Aren’t you glad you are a non-Muslim human being?

07/26/13 @ 19:37
Comment from: Dejene [Visitor]
Dejene

How is it that 5 million Oromos got massacred when the oromo population at the time was less than 5 million? It is crazy. The agenda of these two pseudo intellectuals is to foment ethnic and religious conflict in Ethiopia at the behest of their financiers, the arab sheikdoms.

07/26/13 @ 19:51
Comment from: Ayalew Mognu / Sew Amagnu [Visitor]
Ayalew Mognu / Sew Amagnu

Hello all,

Nobody can destroy Ethiopia. However hard Egypt, Weyané, Shabia, OLF, ONLF, Islamists, Ethio-Talibans, etc. tried to destroy Ethiopia over several decades, Ethiopia still remains standing.

Fact: Even foreigners fall in love with Ethiopia. That also gives Ethiopia a solid foundation to stand on. I , myself, fell in love with the people of Bahir-Dar on my first trip ever to visit Tana Haiq. The children taught me how to play Gojjam’s Eskista with their folklore song and the chorus Ayalew Mognu… Sew Amagnu… Sew Amagnu. The same thing happened to Tikumé [a Japanese (see link below)].

The sole inconvenience in Bahir Dar was the services at the junk Ghion Hotel (owned and operated by Weyané Tigrés), Tana Hotel (owned and operated by Weyané) and of course the “Ethiopian Airlines”. Especially, the Tigre woman who works at the “Ethiopian Airlines” office only serves whites and Tigrés. Well, it is the norm at the “Ethiopian Airlines” to serve whites on priority basis (as though Ethiopians fly free!). Disgusting bastards! What a shame! I only flew the “Ethiopian Airlines” for that trip! I don’t fly Arab logos!

I see angry and frustrated Talibans like Gragn Ahmed. As long as the likes of him keep siding with the enemy and get their info from the enemy’s misinformation depots, the anger and frustration is there to stay (and Ethiopians have nothing to do with that!). I had my own reservations about Gojjam till I went and saw myself.

I love Ethiopia’s mosaïque culture and I had never missed the cultural concerts staged by The National Theatre in Addis Ababa! The theatre’s artists bring you Ethiopia on the stage in a spectacular 3-hour show! If the National Theatre Troupe still exists, it is the best crash course on Ethiopia in 3 hours!

As to love for Ethiopia, Ethiopia gets tons of it internationally (whether some domestic Talibans and Egypt’s thugs like it or not)! That keeps Ethiopia afloat! Here are some pointers from the North East to the South West of the globe:

Tikumé (Bahir-Dar): www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IL_bkCwgro

Japan (Japanese Artists): www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOGnreLwECY

USA (Chiefly white artists)]: www.youtube.com/watch?v=hT2wctFYwUM

So long & God bless!

07/26/13 @ 22:41
Comment from: DillingerJ [Visitor]
DillingerJ

Gragn mohammed is a low life muslim converted to islam by way of fear sword infront of his head.Period.Let the jr Gragn luntic here articulate how his grand family converted from Christianity to devil advocate islam.

07/26/13 @ 23:00
Comment from: Next Call [Visitor]
Next Call

If these duo have a ‘ tenor’ at such ‘ prestigious’ institution like the American University, it is a travesty. They are following on the foot steps of Prof Shamsudin of American Chronicle, who seems to have disappeared from the scene since the fall of Mubarak. At least, Shamsedin was entertaining and included all sort of reference to his thesis.

It is a pity that Egypt is faltering by the day. Its de- facto leader, General Sisi, has called upon the ‘ crowd’ to back him up in the ‘ coup’ he all but made possible. The result is in, many lost their lives on the ‘ streets’ of Egypt. I was dumb-founded how one can resort to such measure, if he had any ‘ political maturity’. The purpose of any government is to make sure ‘ The Masses’ are controlled and not instigated for their ‘ inherent’ instinct is no better than savages and can be counter- productive. As much as i am troubled by the Elites in Cairo and Alexandria, I think the ‘ weakening of Egypt’ be it its leadership or those who profess to be learned, is a ‘ blessing in disguise’ for Ethiopia. So long as there are Friday prayers, the chaos in Egypt will only exasperate. In other words, we will have the opportunity to get our right recognized.
The ‘ visit of Assistant Secretary of Defense of the US to Uganda and Ethiopia lets me believe that the United States are behind the concept of ‘ fair and equitable share’ of the Nile.

For the right amount of perks, the World is full of pseudo- intellectuals who will sell their soul.If Akbar and Martin can only refer to a ‘ study’ by Brookings institutions, and not a single other publications on matters related to events which took place in Ethiopia in the late XIX th century, they should be let go and return what ever financial compensation they pocketed along the way. I am quite certain, millions are being spent by the nomenclatura in Egypt to sabotage our Dam.

07/27/13 @ 05:59
Comment from: Ethiopiawinet [Visitor]
Ethiopiawinet

DillingerJ (Visitor)
Who is Gragn Mohammed?
Are you hallucinating like your devil worshiper Assta B. Qittu?
Are you in state of dementia pursue by Alzhiemer or what?
Get out of that northern cave and worship the real God as Muslims, true Christians and Jews do. You guys obssessed with that dark cave in northern Ethiopia.
I would like to see what kind of devil god you worship in that hidden cave that makes you lose your mind like Gragn Ahmed to Gragn Mohammed and many weired staff.
Unique people!!!!!!!!

07/27/13 @ 06:39
Comment from: addiszemen [Member]  
addiszemen

EthiopiawiNot, Seattle, the talibans from torra borra, and garbage ahmed the bokko arram,…

You people by now for sure realized that there is no place for Muslim extremist terrorists like you in Ethiopia.
You tried everything to penetrate the peaceful Ethiopian Muslims, you jump up and down, you cried foul, you befriended the opposition losers at home and abroad to politicize your devilish cause. You even imported an Egyptian alqaida cleric to co-ordinate your terrorist movement. You also succeeded killing a well respected Muslim elder in Dessie. What not?
The more your nervous act of extremism continued, the tighter the scrutiny around your nacke fastened. And in time we threw your terrorist movement leaders in jail to make sure there won’t be any terrorist activity in our peaceful developmental and progressive nation.
The only option you have left in your power is, just to pull the trigger of the suicide vest and end it. Your terrorist life is worthless any way.

07/27/13 @ 07:12
Comment from: Tesso Masaraa [Visitor]
Tesso Masaraa

There is no truth to the “5 million Oromos massacred by Menelik II". It is a simple cheap propaganda echoed by separatists and misguided OLF supporters. Their source is also a falsified and twisted history that was created to incite the Oromo against the Ethiopian unity - a democratic unity where every ethnic group will benefit. The present day modified wing of OLF, by the name of ODF that was formed by OLF founders has recently changed its course of struggle by calling for unity with the rest of other ethnic groups in Ethiopia - a wise and well thought step forward. But, in the past 40 years of OLF history, the founders begot ill informed young followers who were fed with distorted history of the Oromo people. As the result, they created anti unity narrow nationalists who turned against them regardless of the achievement of Cultural Revolution they brought for the Oromo people. As to the question of Menelik, he was surrounded by Oromo advisers and generals: His advisors were Qusee Dinagde (Habte Giorgis), Aregay Bakare (Afe Negus) and his own Wife Tayitu Butul. His Generals and Adwa War commanders were Ras Gobana Dache, Ras Mekonnen H Gudesa, Ras Michael, King Tekle Haymanot, and Dej. Balcha all of Oromo descendants, with the exception of Ras Alula whom they named Abba Nega. Menelik depended on the Oromo, let alone massacring them in such large numbers. It was only the Arsi Oromo that put up a bitter fight against unity while others like Jimma and Borena Oromos in the south agreed to it. For your information, Jimma and Leqa (wallaga) remained independent kingdoms paying taxes to the central government after Menelik’s expansion to the south. It was simply the feudal era expansion to protect the population against European colonization. Remember Menelik’s letter to the Europeans that his territory stretched to the Indian Ocean. Had it not been for the expansion, the Oromo in the south would have fallen victims to foreign Europeans. It was partly the idea of Tayitu Butul to bring all Oromos together who were divided into Kingdoms for centuries but got together only once every 8 years for Gada ceremony. It was the idea that was never fulfilled by her Yejju ancestors. In the process, other related ethnic groups were united under one flag. There is rarely any ethnic group in Ethiopia that is not mixed with the Oromo, starting from the Gujji and Sidama in the south to the Raya and Tigre in the north, and the most mixed is the Amhara whom the misguided ones condemn most. From the early era of Gondar to date, the Oromo participated in Ethiopian politics, they way it was practiced in the feudal system. Starting from Iyoas to Ras Ali, and even emperor Tewodros who was questioned about his nobility defended his heritage through his maternal great grand father Ras wadajjo of Gondar. The names of most Amharas from Shewa and Gojjam end with Oromo names after 4 generations if it is not a christened name. I challenge you to that. In my case, with a father from Gimbi, wallaga, the tribal line starts from Jirru, the current Amhara zone in northern Shewa, and of course, there are millions born to Oromo parents with no knowledge of Affan Oromo. In general, at the time of the expansion, the Imperial power was a collaboration of Yejju and Shewa Dynasties. They were not out there to massacre the Oromo, like some try to advocate it, but to bring them together, at times by force and unfortunately many people died in the war; the worst case was with the Kaffa and wellayta and not the Oromo, if we take it population wise. In my opinion, the Oromo people were victims of feudalism like others, and Oromo and Ethiopia is inseparable. ODF has learned it the hard way after many Oromo lives were lost in the wrong camp. If this organization is genuine, it remains to be seen. Other attempts which undermine a democratic union of all Ethiopians are empty propaganda. Those who advocate independence contrary to a genuine Ethiopiawinet unity will remain minority, and they stay in the camp of anti Ethiopia for ever until they disintegrate out of frustration.

07/27/13 @ 07:28
Comment from: addiszemen [Member]  
addiszemen

This claim of five million Oromo people being massacred is just a pure lie which is intended to justify the nonsense secession movement by the loser OLF.
One of the recorded highest genocide in history, the Armenian massacre by the ottoman Turk empire around the first world war took about 1.5 million lives, which is second highest to the holocaust.
How in the world 5 Million people in Ethiopia being massacred during that short reign of Menilik II is absurd to say the least.
Other than the Italian invasion at Adwa victory, comparatively Ethiopia in those days was so peaceful.
The only activity noticeable in those days was, the slave trade which was in all over Africa. The Oromo people in that part could have experienced the harsh reality of the slave trade more than the rest of Ethiopians, as a slave trader or a slave.
It is better not to give a reply to this kind of nonsense claim. Because the more we argue about it, the more we validate the story of war and genocide against the oromos existed ever.

07/27/13 @ 10:30
Comment from: yadi [Visitor]
yadi

The more i read about habesha to ward another ethiopian i hate them to death. They don’t even read history scream scream we now what is best for other. please instead of denying what happen in the past go find a book can make u understand what happen in the past.

07/27/13 @ 12:32
Comment from: Seattle [Visitor]
Seattle

AZ aka Beza and other girly names.
Either you didn’t bother to read my response or so mentally delayed that you couldn’t read it. Either way, you are an idiot. That is why I ignore most of your daily trash. Your relationship with TPLF is more than blood. You are a lost case. A typical Tigrian cadre; A poster boy.Nothing go through you thick scull.There is no need to reason with you.

@Deptera Atsda Kittu,
You are ignored as well. You bring nothing new to the table except repeating the same old music of hate like a broken record.
For every one else at EOC, be warned. This is why your church is going down the drain. Why the Pente’s taking over what is remained of Orthodox Church. You are putting ungodly vagabonds, thugs and those illigimate sons of priests as deacon and priests. They are preaching hate, intolerance, annihilation and the sad part no one at your church is standing up against them.

07/27/13 @ 17:15
Comment from: Assta B. Gettu [Visitor]
Assta B. Gettu

Ethiopiawinet, Ethiopiawi-nut aka Gragn Ahmed, enkrdad aka Seattle, the cattle (visitor),

Assta B. Gettu believes in Jesus Christ, the Creator of the universe and the only Savior of the world; however, Ethiopiawinut worships the moon-god Allah, one of the 360 idols of the Quraysh tribes in Mecca, and each one of these idols had names. One of the names of these 360 idols was Allah, and this Allah had three daughters – Al-Lat, Manat, and Al-Uzza. Muhammad, the false prophet, chose one of the idols and that idol was Allah, a well recognized idol by the pagan Arabs before Muhammad was born. The main reason Muhammad chose this Allah was simply that most Arabs in those days used to bring a lot of gifts to this idol, and Muhammad wanted to enrich himself with the money brought to the idol Allah by taking the ownership of this idol and all the gifts that went with it.

For 1400 years, all Muslims, misguided by their imams, have been worshipping the moon-god Allah, and one of the devoted worshipers of this idol Allah is Ethiopiawi-nut. From the beginning, money had been the root cause of worshipping the Muslim Allah, the idol, and it is for money Jihadist Muslims have been kidnapping innocent people for ransom, and if that ransom is not paid to the Islamist kidnapers, the person they have kidnapped will be beheaded. The Somali Muslims have been seizing merchant ships and their crews for money and they have been paid millions and millions of dollars in order to let the ships and their crews go free.

We are still paying a heavy price to these idol worshipper Muslims because we have refused to worship their idol – the moon-god Allah and to his three daughters mentioned above. We must remember the following:

The devils have become Muslims

The Muslims have become militants

The militants have become terrorists

The terrorists have become Muhammad

And Muhammad has become god!

In Islam there is no peace and there is no freedom: in fact, Islam is the absence of freedom and peace; the founder of Islam was not Muhammad the false prophet; the founder of Islam was his old wife Khadija, and Muhammad was her first convert to Islam. Muhammad had married this old woman not for her beauty or for her faith but only for her money. Muhammad killed thousands of people for money and lust, not for Islam or Allah. Islam and Allah had always been the only ways and means for the greedy and lusty Muhammad the stallion to achieve his goal – to be the richest person in the world and with his great wealth to conquer the entire world. He didn’t care about Allah; he didn’t care about Islam. He only cared for money, and that is all!

In the same way, Ethiopiawi-nut doesn’t care to worship the true God, Jesus Christ; he worships the false god, Allah, an idol with three idol daughters. The false prophet Muhammad, with the instruction of his old wife Khadija, used to go to one of the dark caves in Mt. Hira in Mecca to consult with the jinn/the devil, and it was in this one of the dark caves that it was said: “Magic was worked on Allah’s Apostle and he was bewitched so that he began to imagine doing things which in fact he had not done” (Bukhari: V7B71N661). It was in this dark cave of Mt. Hira that “Satan cast a false Quran revelation on the Messenger of Allah’s tongue” (Tabari VI: 107).

The northern caves in Ethiopia are full of Christian Churches, full of ancient documents, full of saints and many precious Ethiopian heritages: they are not like Mt. Hira ran by the jinn and by the jinn’s followers, Ethiopiawi-nut, Gragn Ahmed, and Seattle the cattle.

As the Apostle Paul told Timothy that the love of money is the root of evil (1st Timothy 6:10), I am telling Ethiopiawi-nut that the love of money is the root of Islam, and the root of evil is Muhammad the false prophet, Muhammad the pervert, and Muhammad the stallion.


07/27/13 @ 17:33
Comment from: Assta B. Gettu [Visitor]
Assta B. Gettu

Seattle the cattle aka Gragn Ahmed (visitor),

Seattle the cattle writes: “For every one else at EOC, be warned. This is why your church is going down the drain. Why the Pente’s taking over what is remained of Orthodox Church. You are putting ungodly vagabonds, thugs and those illigimate sons of priests as deacon and priests. They are preaching hate, intolerance, annihilation and the sad part no one at your church is standing up against them.”

Any person who comes in the name of Jesus Christ and preaches Jesus Christ is the Son of God is not my enemy or the enemy of my Church. ‘Teacher,’ said John, ‘we saw a man driving out demons in your name and we told him to stop, because he was not one of us.’ ‘Do not stop him,’ Jesus said. ‘No one who does a miracle in my name can in the next moment say anything bad about me, for whoever is not against us is for us’” (Mark 9:38-40).

My true enemy is a person who comes in the name of Islam and teaches Jihadism, terrorism, conflict, hostility, sexual assault, and greed. My enemy is a person who supports Egypt to destroy my costly Dam. My enemy is the person who denies the deity of Jesus Christ and his death for me on the Cross. And you are that enemy of mine, the enemy of my Church, the enemy of my Christian government, and the enemy of the civilized world.


07/27/13 @ 19:14
Comment from: Gragn Ahmed [Visitor]
Gragn Ahmed

AZ, also the aids Drug AZT.
You sound lunatic, and when your days in power are numbered you cliam to bring excuses. The World is tired of you and even the Americans who support you are getting fade up with your dramas to portray the peaceloving Muslims into terrorists. In this age of technology you can not hide behind cameras. Once again Muslims are showing you all over the world how you are sinical and sinful by killing an old man to score political advantage. Still Meles never stops killing as he left us with a terrorist organization. I am not sure why American government still loves to coddle with you. Your end is near. If America does not play the hypocrite role, your end is not far.

Muslims work hard day and night to make that country economically strong and yet guess what Meles did, he shelved in Billions and not billions to his foreign Bank account, the father of African corruption. You try to even silence the Diaspora but we will speak up. Check out how your boss ripps your sweat and makes your boss sons and daughters rich. Lately, Semhar got 5 billion in her New York Bank, not bad if she lost her Dad. What happened to his other account?
Semhar got 5 billion in her account. By the way I stand to say for myself. I am not speaking for anybody. But you are paid agent and you sound to speak for Wayane fake Ethiopians who are here to steal our money and we work for them. How do you get paid???

NOW AS EVERYBODY CAN SEE, CLEARLY THERE IS NO DEVELOPMENT EXCEPT MELES FAMILY DEVELOPMENT. IS THIS WHAT AMERICA STANDS FOR? WILL KERRY BE HAPPY IF HIS BROTHERS AND SISTERS WHO LIVE IN EUROPE GET POORER BECAUSE OF DICTATOR LEADERS?

07/27/13 @ 21:08
Comment from: abchahu [Visitor]
abchahu

My friend Assta B Gettu

Unable to learn from facts except regurgarating the same shit like your name Kittu.

You are a big liability for the website the way you are defacing in here, unfortunately what one has to expect while you have the backing of fitawrari as your offspring.

Cheers

07/27/13 @ 23:21
Comment from: Ethiopiawinet [Visitor]
Ethiopiawinet

Addis Zemen, Alcoholic, dry hard fascist cadre

I lack words to describe your arrogancy, ignorancy, fascistic trait of your DNA.

I urge you to consult psychiatrist or neuro-surgon for brain surgery.
This is brotherly advise.

You are at risk of reaching ASSTA B. QITUUE stage of madness, hallucination and out of touch beast.

Compare and contrast that of evil Assta to fascist addis zemen comments.

Evil Assta said:

Prophet slept with dead woman (corps)

Mohammed has become god

Ethiopiawinet worship moon god (wow) not cave god.

the list is long. These slogans showed up million times here. Why?
You know why?

How about you Mr facist:

Whenever you see a Muslim name you label him/her a terrorist.

The most civilized/peaceful Ethiopian Muslims labeled as terrorists.

Dr Shakir, an imam in USA, labeled terrorist. Why?
He said Ethiopian government labeled peaceful Ethiopian Muslims terrorists. This decade label but now phased out.
So he advocated Dr Berhanu way to liberate themselves from deaf, monistor, arrogant government.

Ethiopiawinet is from tora bora and
Ahmed, seattle from Bakko aram. (Wow)

The list is long.
These slogans repeated million times here. Why? To change lie to truth by repeating the lie.

Go cadre you already sunk like Assta world of nowhere except hate, destruction, arrogance, rigidness to final peak as Hitler genocider. However, before you reach to Hitler stage your tread will severe which will be liberation and joice for peaceful, civil Ethiopian Muslims specially.


07/28/13 @ 12:06
Comment from: Assta B. Gettu [Visitor]
Assta B. Gettu

abchahu (visitor),

You are the friend of Muhammad the devil; you are not the friend of Assta B. Gettu the angle. Go hell and join your Muhammad in that hell fire he created for his followers like you, Gragn Ahmed, Ethiopiawinet, Seattle, and the rest children of the jinn.

Where have you been all these times, and as soon as you see my precious name on this website, immediately you start blaming Mr. free, and that is what all Muslims do? Complain! Blame! Curse! Terrorize! Rape! Sodomize! Plunder! Swindle! Protest! Lie! Cheat! And die for the moon-god Allah!

I think you are coming from one of the Pakistani Madrasses with new techniques to deceive the Ethiopian Christians. You just came because you are very angry and sad about the downfall of your Egyptian master, the Jihadist Morsi and you want to express your badly hurt feeling about the whole situations, which are going on in the Arab-Muslim world. Blessed are those who are not born to Muslim parents at this time of troubles, especially for the Muslim parents.

Did you go to Syria to help the Syrian President or the Syrian fighting faction? Which part of the Muslim countries have you been visiting as one of their agents to destroy our imposing Renaissance Dam?

Ethiopiawi-nut (visitor),

I am not the one who said Muhammad the false prophet had fucked a dead women, had raped a child, had kept captive slaves in his house, had beaten up his wife to death, had sexual intercourse with menstruating women, had kissed the Black Stone, had ordered his followers to kill the unbelievers, had made Muslim women inferior to men and had called them domestic animals. All these accurate accusations are well recorded in your fairy tale Hadis and in your fictitious Quran. For every one of the crimes your pervert Muhammad (May the wrath of God be upon him and upon you) had perpetrated I had given you references in the past. Go and ask the editor of this website if he can help you find them.

I know you are very frustrated because your plan to destroy our Renaissance Dam has failed as soon as the architect of this devious plan, Mr. Morsi, was overthrown. After he fell from his power, your entire evil plan went apart, and there is nothing you can do about but burn in anger and finally commit suicide, which is an honorable thing to do for a frustrated, ignorant, useless, worthless, and hopeless Muslim like you.


07/28/13 @ 18:56
Comment from: Ayalew Mognu / Sew Amagnu [Visitor]
Ayalew Mognu / Sew Amagnu

Hello Ethios,

In case you missed the point of coming to such Ethiopian forums as this one, it is to discuss ways of alleviating the agony of Ethiopians living in Ethiopia under tyranny topped up with man-made misery.

The “Ethiopian Government” sells their arable lands; the “International NGOs” collect tons of money in Ethiopia’s name; Ethiopia’s enemies recruit Ethiopians as condoms; and others are busy playing the Amhara/Oromo, Christia/Muslim crap!

Does it matter what an Ethiopian’s religion or ethnic group is? How is serving the interests of those who want the demise of Ethiopia help any ethnic/religious group? Isn’t that just adding insult to the injury? Before you post anything here, be honest with yourselves and check the sources of your information.

Moreover, no party formed along ethnic, religious, or ideology lines brings democracy. Once is more than enough, don’t prove that failure over-and-over by supporting OLF, ONLF, EDU, Weyané, EPRP, Meison, Ginbot-7, etc. Who reaped the benefit of a weak Ethiopia? Ethiopia’s enemies who engineered the fracturing and weakening of Ethiopia along ethnic and religious lines!

If any Ethiopian or any Ethiopian political party has Ethiopia’s peoples’ interest at heart, why is it hard to come together for Ethiopia? We have to come together and stand shoulder-to-shoulder for Ethiopia. Standing for Ethiopia is not about religion or ethnicity; it’s about the people you see in the link below. My heart-felt thanks to the producers, the composers, the artists and the videographers!

I will also leave you with a second link as “Oromo -101 for OLF” [They are remarks by Italian army officers about Menelik’s Oromo Cavalry (presented to Oromo politicians by Oromo professor)]

www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tgzup94fQKQ

www.ethiomedia.com/2012_report/4512.html

So long and God bless!

07/28/13 @ 20:30
Comment from: Gragn Ahmed [Visitor]
Gragn Ahmed

Let Egziabhere be cursed the god of earth, the god of Queen sheba the most promiscous whore of Ethiopian airlines. Egziabhere is a womanizer the God of Menelik II and Atse YohannesIV. Egziabhere created the cursed copts of Ethiopia to insult our Prophet the most noble one. They are creators of terror and horror. They and theirEgzibeher is the creator of the Damned Dam. Their Egzibher is the cursed Dam of the Dam of Gibe which is starving Kenyans.

07/29/13 @ 00:47
Comment from: Kitfo [Visitor]
Kitfo

What do Oromos and other tribes want for what happened against them in the past? Can’t they learn from the history of other countries like America? Blacks were slaved but they became free. Actually, when we say free it does not mean that they are enjoying their freedom without facing any discrimination. In spite of all the difficulties they are facing, they are not dreaming to rule themselves being independent of America white’s operaton because at least they are benfitting from the fruit of unity. In the same situation, in Ethiopia, all tribes need one another. There are lots of Oromos in overseas but many of them have already adopted other countries language and culture. I never heard them crying about it. They still think they are not lost. I really do not understand why they want to impose things that they do not do on our people back home through unnecssary propoganda.

07/29/13 @ 02:26
Comment from: Ethiopiawinet [Visitor]
Ethiopiawinet

Assta B Gettu (visitor)

The biggest fabricator and greatest liar in the world, the evil Assta.

You try to teach 1.5 billion Muslims new hadith, new Quran, new Islam, published in your cave in Northern Coptic Ethiopia by your cave god.

No wonder you worship several gods: Angeles, lady, man, ‘Meskel’ tree, ‘tabot’ box wood; cave; even water; I leave the rest for you.

You really do not surprise me for going too extreme to vent your hate, I am certain if you have power you may wipe out all human species who are not Coptics specially Muslims on this earth. This is what your religion is.

Congrat, nazret let you go this far.
May be that is their position too on Islam.

Hitler was like you and evil is you.

07/29/13 @ 16:28
Comment from: Assta B. Gettu [Visitor]
Assta B. Gettu

Ethiopiawi-nut (visitor),

You are really nut! You wrote: “Hitler was like you and evil is you.”

During World II, thousands of your cousin Muslims were formed into Nazi Muslim Legions and fought hard by the side of Adolf Hitler and sent millions of innocent Jews to the gas chamber. They thought Hitler would liberate their Muslim land, but he never did. We have a picture that shows Grand Mufti of Jerusalem and Hitler chatting together and planning how to liquidate the Jewish nation.

In the same way, you joined the Egyptian Jihadist Muslim Morsi, thinking he will help you to overthrow the Ethiopian Christian government; instead, he was overthrown from his Islamic power, and your dreams to destroy the Ethiopian Christians have been shattered since then.

What are your sinister plans now to achieve your Jihadist goal to burn the Christian Churches and to slaughter the Christian boys and girls? We are aware of your evil schemes to hurt the Christian land of Ethiopia, and we are ready more than ever to fight you and bring you to justice and finally deport you or put you in a cage for life. I am ready to report your previous and present treasonous activities to the Ethiopian Christian government at any time, and I hope the government will take drastic actions against your terrorist Muslims by jailing them and by exposing their demonic behaviors to the civilized world.

There are articles such as “Why did Muslims fight on the Side of the Nazis during World War II?” and “Grand Mufti of Jerusalem with Soviet Muslim volunteer in German army in Berlin”.

You must go to any library and read these articles and find out that Muslims liked Nazism then and still they admire Adolf Hitler as they admire Ben laden, Hamas, Hazbala, Al-Qaida, Al Shabbab, Boko Haram, and the Egyptian terrorist Muslim Brotherhood.

Ethiopiawi-nut, Gragn Ahmed Enkrdad, and Seattle the cattle are members of the Islamic Jihad Union and the rest of the entire Muslims terrorist net.

I have explained to you in the past what I worship and I don’t have to explain it to you hundred times. You worship a violent and a blood-thirsty Allah, but I worship a God of mercy, love, and justice. By the way, no one can find in your fictitious Quran and the fairy tale Hadith the three words: “God is Love.” The absence of these three words in Muhammad’s teachings vividly shows that Muhammad and Allah are two violent demons who want to control our planet earth. But the civilized world has refused to be under the dominion of Muhammad and the Muslim Allah; therefore, very soon, we will declare World War III to completely annihilate Islamist terrorists from our planet earth.

07/30/13 @ 05:50
Comment from: Assta B. Gettu [Visitor]
Assta B. Gettu

Ethiopiwi-nut aka Gragn Ahemed Enkrdad, aka Seattle the cattle (visitor),

The frustrated Ethiopiwi-nut comments:

“You try to teach 1.5 billion Muslims new hadith, new Quran, new Islam, published in your cave in Northern Coptic Ethiopia by your cave god.”

Whether there are 1.5 billion or 10 billion misguided Muslims, most of them have become the heavy burdens and the severe headaches of the prosperous and the civilized west. Their number does not scare me as do their backwardness, their ignorance, their deceptions, and their cruelties. With few hundred courageous Christian soldiers, I can easily defeat the worthless 1.5 billion Muslims in a battle field as the Psalmist said: “I will not fear though tens of thousands assail me on every side” (Psalm 3:61). They have been fighting us throughout the ages but we have cornered them and let them kill each other and eat their own flesh and drink their own blood, which is much better than drinking the camel urine.

Do you know what our Holy Bible says? This is what it says:

“One of you shall chase a thousand men of the enemies: because the Lord your God himself will fight for you, as he hath promised” (Joshua 23:10).

With this eternal promise, Ethiopia will fight the Billions of Gog-Magog Jihadist Muslims and becomes triumphant over all of them. Therefore, you should not depend on your sheer number and don’t say every time there are 1.5 billion Muslims. These 1.5 billion Muslims are taken and kept as hostages by the two notorious hooligans – Muhammad the false prophet and Allah, one of the Mecca idols. They badly want their freedom, and I am working hard to free them from their bondage – Islam. I am a messenger to the 1.5 billion imprisoned Muslims, and I will bring them back from worshiping the moon-god Allah to worshiping the creator of the moon and the entire universe, Jesus Christ, the Son of the Living God.


07/30/13 @ 08:17

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