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03/13/10

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“Ethiopia in grave danger” a case against Mr. Isaiass-Part 2

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“Ethiopia in grave danger” a case against Mr. Isaiass -Part 2

By Tibebe Samuel Ferenji

I hope this will not be considered a personal argument with Mr. Neamin; I believe, we owe it to ourselves to learn the truth about the past in order to go forward. It is our civic duty to differentiate facts from fictions and to fend our history from those who revise it intentionally to make it fit to their personal and political agenda. As I was prepared to write the second part, a friend of mine called me and informed me Mr. Neamin’s response to my writings. For any one who read Mr. Neamin’s article, what he is trying to tell us is more of the same. In an attempt to impugn my credibility, once again he has twisted what I have stated and attempted to back peddle in his previous assertions. More over, what I stated are facts from primary sources. Mr. Neamin is still narrating part 2 of the “history of the coup” without addressing part 1. No one is disputing the involvement of the Generals in the 1989 coup. No one accused the generals working with the EPLF and the CIA. Mr. Neamin is purposely distorting what I have said to fit his political agenda.

To make his point, Mr. Neamin has provided us half baked truth and meaningless accusations. In attempt to make his point, he seems to repeat one phrase again and again like a Parrott. Repeating a phrase doesn’t make his statement any more truthful. The statements I made are in reference to the books written by Major Seleshi and Major Getachew. As far as I know, these are the only two people who have written their account of the “deal” behind the coup; neither the Generals nor anyone else has written extensively about The Free Ethiopian Soldiers Movement (TFESM) with the exception of Major Seleshi and Major Getachew. Major Dawit failed to address, in his books, the detailed role he played during the coup; In fact he reefer's us to Major Seleshi’s book “ANDENET BANDENET.

Initially this is what Mr. Neamin said regarding Major Dawit’s involvement in the Coup “contrary to the writer’s claims, Maj. Dawit did not play a direct role in the May 89 coup. Maj. Dawit was the one who (he) initiated contact with EPLF. Not the other way around”. The validity of this statement is refuted by the statement made by Major Dawit himself. In his book “Kihdet Bedem Meret” Major Dawit talks about the meeting he had with Isaiass and Petrose Solomon in London. This is what Major Dawit said regarding his meeting, “The main purpose of the discussion was to shape an agreement with Shabya what the future of Eritrea would be should the Ethiopian Free Soldiers Movement conduct a coup in Ethiopia.” This meeting took place few years before the 1989 coup. More over Major Dawit in his article of June 29, 2009 clearly stated “I met the leadership of the EPLF and current President Issaias Afwerki several times in Europe and America and ultimately in Nakfa, through the back door into those parts of Eritrea controlled by the EPLF and meeting the leaders, the very people I have been fighting and condemning for years felt weird to me. That was the time when we were trying to coordinate the external factors with internal preparations for a coup.” (Major Dawit Woldegiorgis) emphasis added.

I don’t know in what language Mr. Neamin is reading, but the statements made by Major Dawit refute Mr. Neamin’s assertion that Major Dawit did not play a direct role in the 1989 coup. In fact, if anything, the evidence shows that Major Dawit was involved from the get go to coordinate the coup. In any of my writings, I did not say that Major Dawit himself said that he was working for the CIA. Mr. Neamin intentionally distorted my statements. As I have clearly said, it is Major Getachew Yerom who exposed CIA’s role in the 1989 coup. Since CIA’s conduct and associating with the CIA is a HASh-HASh business, no one wants to talk about it openly.

Unfortunately, Mr. Neamin is reading what is not written. Where in the world did Mr. Neamin read where I said General Kumelachew had any contact with the EPLF? Mr. Neamin intentionally distorted material fact to fit his own assertion. Since Mr. Neamin attempted to impugn my integrity and because he felt that he is more informed than anyone else because he was “surrounded” himself by generals, I made it clear that I knew General Kumelachew and that I had an immense pleasure of meeting General Wobetu. I did not imply in any shape or form the personal notes that I have from General Kumlachew indicated the involvement of the EPLF in the coup. I wanted to point out that Mr. Neamin in his attempt to discredit my points stated things he knew nothing about my relationship with General Kumelachew. In a statement that sounded immature and childish, Mr. Neamin attempted to tell us he had audio tapes from General Kumelachew. This of course is another posturing.

Mr. Neamin seems to think replacing the list of the names of Generals with the list of “Books to read” would help him to refute facts with fictions. It is sad to see that Mr. Neamin undermines the inelegance of his audience. Let me make it clear in a language that Mr. Neamin may understand. I do agree with him that the Generals did not conspire with the EPLF; however the contentious issue here is Major Dawit’s role, CIA’s role and EPLF’s role in the 1989 coup. As I have stated in my previous writings, the 1989 coup was right from the play book of the CIA. The 1977 plan to assassinate Colonel Mengistu Hailemariam or his deputy shed’s some light what the intention of the CIA was then. For any one who has an iota of brain in his skull would understand the 1989 coup’s objective was similar as the 1977 plan. Here is a portion of a transcript from the CIA operative’s telegram intercepted by the KGB.

“The second telegram describes the conduct of operations envisioned in the first telegram:
- Assassination of the head of government will lead to chaos and disorder in Ethiopia. Following that the advancement of Forces 1 and 2 into the southwest will ensue.
- Establishment of this second front will prevent the Ethiopian forces from focusing attention on the other front. This will create a desirable opportunity for an attack from the southeast and will result in a two-pronged conflict.
- Ethiopia will automatically attack the Sudan, and the intensification of activity in the southeast will, within two weeks, lead to a similar situation in Somalia”.

As in 1977, the 1989 coup’s main purpose was to create chaos and disorder in Ethiopia. The EPLF was willing to use this opportunity to achieve its objectives. As I have made it clear the link between the EPLF and the generals was Major Dawit. In fact any one who listened Major General Fanta Belay’s statement on you tube (you can Google it by typing Fanta Belay) would find similar statements in Major Dawit’s article. On June 29, 2009 article Major Dawit stated “In an official agreement the EPLF stated that when and if the coup takes place, it will immediately cease fire and be part of the transitional government to discuss the future of Eritrea”. To imply that Major Dawit did not play a leading role in the 1989 coup is disingenuous, devious and an insult to the inelegance of many Ethiopians.

Other than saying that Tibebe fabricated that or this, Mr. Neamin did not provide a shred of facts to refute Major Seleshi’s, Major Getachew’s and Major Dawit’s accounts of the 1989 coup plot behind close doors. These three individuals have first hand information regarding the origination of the 1989 coup and CIA’s role. These three individuals had direct dealings with the EPLF officials. These individuals have information that the Generals didn’t have. More over, Mr. Neamin in a very deceptive and disingenuous remark tried to tell us the presence of 200,000 strong army in Eritrea. This is a blatant revision of history. In fact since the beginning of 1988, the Ethiopian army in Tigray and in Eritrea was in trouble. Unless Mr. Neamin is delusional or suffers from selective amnesia, several accounts indicate that the state of the Ethiopian army in the beginning of 1989 was far from being an effective fighting force. In fact, the Ethiopian army was in a defensive position when Mengistu visited Af-Abet in February 1988. Mengistu, angry with the conduct of the military leaders, executed General Tariku Ayane and demoted General Kebde Gashi who was the commander of MEKIT, and took measures against other high ranking officials. It was after a month of the execution of General Tariku that by all account “the strategic command center” of Af-abet fell in to the hands of the EPLF. Major Dawit Woldegiorgis describes the state of the army then as follows:

“ In less than 48 hours, rebel forces numbering 15,000 overran 30 miles of defense line destroying elite force of close to 100,000”.

More over, it is disingenuous in part of Mr. Neamin to omit the fact that in February 1989, the EPLF mechanized force assisted the TPLF in the battle of Shire-Endasilassie where the Third Revolutionary Army was forced to leave the entire region of Tigray. In 1989, before the coup, what we had was a demoralized and disoriented army. I don’t know where Mr. Neamin took his course in military strategy, as he pointed out I am not an expert in a military strategy; however, I am a student of logic. In such state of disorganization and a spirit of defeat, I find it significant the removal of 400 elite troops from Asmara. Mr. Neamin in his naïve assessment failed to realize that the EPLF had fighters in Dekmhare, Mendfera and in the heart of Asmara posing as civilians. The EPLF was engaged in a guerrilla warfare.

In my opinion, the intention of the EPLF was to create chaos and havoc in Ethiopia. The plan was while Ethiopia is immersed in a civil war, for Mr. Issaias to establish his “Kingdom” in Eritrea. I don’t even think that the EPLF wanted the coup to succeed. Looking at the whole picture, it is mind boggling people like General Wobetu who were expected to play a key role in bringing the army stationed in Tolay to defend the coup plotters were informed about the coup one day before the attempted coup took place. If Mr. Neamin has any credible evidence to refute the account of Major Seleshi, Major Getachew Yerome even Major Dawit regarding the event that led to the coup, we all are ears and eager to hear it. Taking dismissive and evasive approach will not help Mr. Neamin to set the record straight. Invoking patriotic feelings and wrapping oneself with a flag and “surrounding” oneself with list of Generals doesn’t help to make a valid point; nor it assists to refute facts with a revised version of history to glorify some of those who helped the brutal regime of Colonel Mengistu to reign for 17 years. We don’t need a reminder that some of the high ranking officials had a front seat at Mengistu’s table with “a golden plate” before them.

In a personal note: I am not the issue here, however to set the record straight, the last time I saw Mr. Neamin was on April 2, 2005 during the UEDF fundraising event where he was selling Dr. Negede Gobezie’s book. Though I was not roaming in the corridors of Washington, it is suffice to say that I was at the heart of a place where a genuine struggle to make a genuine difference is taking place. Though Mr. Neamin is trying to tell us that he has no business talking to us regarding the relation some in the Ethiopian opposition are trying to establish with Mr. Issaias, he needs to know that I and people like me would be challenging you and opposing you every step of the way. Once we were told by Mr. Meles how Great Issaias was, Ethiopians do not need another propaganda about the greatness of Mr. Issaias. We all know how conning, deceptive, ruthless, and egomaniac he is. Most of all the evidence that I would provide will show that Issaias is a brutal murderer who did not even spare the lives of the people he considered his friends when his power is challenged; and he is a man who speaks with a fork tang. Again, Mr. Neamin, thank you for your time.

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msg Comment from: justin [Visitor]
No, you are in great danger of turning into Pinocchio.

ኢትዮጵያ ለዘላለም ትኑር
PermalinkPermalink 03/13/10 @ 03:12

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msg Comment from: Kokeb [Visitor]
If the retarded BARIA MENGISTU were more trust worthy by ethiopians and used a NEPALM gas against WIZERO MELESE and ISAASS WONBEDES, when they used to destroy the country infrastructure we wouldn't be hearing all these century old HISTORY-101 , rubbish and nonsense today.
PermalinkPermalink 03/13/10 @ 03:38

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msg Comment from: atitegheb [Visitor]
For one thing we agree with the author: Changes in Ethiopia cannot be thought of through the help of enemies. We have to push for change but it is worthless to ador and insece Isaias or any other power for that matter. We will be all with EPRDF or any power whe it comes direct foreign influence in the country. We need democracy but we have to walk all the way and there is no short cut! I mean education at all leavels. We cannot change education's difficult way because it is the only way to democracy! Education brings independence of mind and not antagonism which is basically sign of fear!
PermalinkPermalink 03/13/10 @ 03:41

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msg Comment from: Kokeb [Visitor]
mengistu

ANTE ASEDABI selfish, son of a SATAN, I want pull out your's grey matter and shove it through your's BARIA-AZZ. I am astonished the talkative decit BARIA are not dead yet and, we still paying the price by his repelica of TPLF-Lucifiers.

BARIAW AND THE ADWA ZINJERO SHOULD BE LYNCHED SIDE BY SIDE!


long live ethiopia!
PermalinkPermalink 03/13/10 @ 03:48

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msg Comment from: dawa [Visitor]
Mr Ferenji,

You will expect authentic, accurate and fact based response from Mr Neamin.
PermalinkPermalink 03/13/10 @ 04:27

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msg Comment from: Lesim [Visitor]
I'm tired of this Woyane called Ferneji, Please Mr Ferenji if you have problem with Mr Neamin you can e-mail him.
PermalinkPermalink 03/13/10 @ 04:36

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msg Comment from: dawa [Visitor]
Somali secret services were actively involved in the ailed coup in 89. Meles and Afeworki were neighbors and lived in posh Mogadishu neighborhood. The plan was orchestrated in Villa Somalia.
PermalinkPermalink 03/13/10 @ 04:45

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msg Comment from: Dave [Visitor]
Guys, please read between the line, although Ato Tibebe is stating the obvious about Isayas being devious, well balanced info's like this can steer some naive ethiopian soles off a dangerous path.
they say love is blind, but little we know how blind hatred can be. so let's not allow our grievance for Woyanee drive us suicidal..Ye kotun Awrid bla Yebibitwan Talech endayhon. understand a simple formula.=> Eritrea was not meant to be. if it is, it has to dominate or destroy Ethiopia:!:

thank you mr Tibebe, I get what you mean...
PermalinkPermalink 03/13/10 @ 04:53

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msg Comment from: tolla [Visitor]
U like it or not Ethiopians have good relattion with Eritreans right now. Weyanes don't like that at all go west go east you don't change anything. It's weyanes ajenda which creat a good relationship b/n Ethiopians and Eritreas our EPPF freedom fighters are using Eritrea as a bass a nightmare to weyanes and a good news to those who are looking for a way to fight for mother Ethiopia! Go EPPF GO!
PermalinkPermalink 03/13/10 @ 05:27

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msg Comment from: eekk [Visitor]
Than YOU Mr.TIBEBE
You taught me how to teach ppl to come back to the right track.
your premises are persuasive.

please dont give up
PermalinkPermalink 03/13/10 @ 05:36

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msg Comment from: U GET THE FINGER [Visitor]
THERE ISN'T ONE DAY THAT YOU ALL DON'T HAVE ERITREA OR ISSAIAS IN YOUR THOUGHT THAT'S CRAZY /// T B ET YOU DREAM ABOUT ERITREA...DO U THING THEY HAVE THAT MUCH THOUGHT ABOUT U THERE.....THEY DON'T WASTE OR CARE ABOUT ALL OF YOU.....
PermalinkPermalink 03/13/10 @ 05:42

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msg Comment from: hammere [Visitor]
Mr. Ferenji,
You are just peltting the basalt rock. This pathological liar, Neamin, will will not shed blood. Ne-amin is frozen and petrified by the politics of Isayas Afewerki.
PermalinkPermalink 03/13/10 @ 06:07

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msg Comment from: Wedi afom [Visitor]
“ In less than 48 hours, rebel forces numbering 15,000 overran 30 miles of defense line destroying elite force of close to 100,000”.

What about In Badme Asab and Tsorona???

Bravo Issayas
PermalinkPermalink 03/13/10 @ 07:29

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msg Comment from: tazabe [Visitor]
Who cares about this idiot Dictator that fought Ethiopia for many years and dry up our resourses worest in the name of a false Eriteria independece. Eriteria is part of Ethiopia but this tribal dictator convince or try to convince the defenseless Eriterian people to fight Ethiopia by creating a terriorist group called shabia/EPLF. on the other hand his cousin TPLF is becoming another cancer for Ethiopian people. Nazret.com as the number one blog site on the internet please don't give these Tugs too much space to bring this kind of history. There is a number of other issues to talk about. After all this blog is not only how to over through dictator government it is also making the World understand about Tribal dictatorship that doesn't represent the real issue of all tribes in the country but only worried about how to stay in power and suck dry its resources.
PermalinkPermalink 03/13/10 @ 08:39

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msg Comment from: moneytalks [Visitor]
Mr. Ferenji, for your credibility sake, you need to make your views balanced. Issayas and Meles were very close at the time line you are talking about, and yet, you are only concentrated on Issayass. I am sorry , but you fell to show your objective point of view, there is no question you are biased. The two evil cousins were working together to destroy Ethiopia in every way they can at that time; if you talk about one of the evil, you cannot leave the other one out. At the present time, Ethiopia and Ethiopians are in grave danger because of Meles and those who are working with woyanes, not because of Issayass.
PermalinkPermalink 03/13/10 @ 08:47

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msg Comment from: wello [Visitor]
I am very surprised, day and night we are only talking about Issayas Afwerki. You are scaring and making us to pull our pants down. Is it important to talk day and night about this person? or are you having a nightmare of this person all night. Please instead of writting about individuals, try hard to look for a solution and create a conducive environment for the best of these two peoples. We two are poor of the poorest. One is a beggar, the other is a killer who kills his people by preventing aid to the country. We need to work hard day and night for the better of these two people than sleeping the whole day and night and having a nightmare like Mr Ferenjii and then writting as a professionalist all his dreamts. Wake up Mr Ferenjii and the likes, don't you have smething better to do to contribute at least for the betterment of these two people. Some people are trying hard for the whole human being in this world but guys like you are working day and night who eats what and who goes with who. Best wish to all human being in this world.
PermalinkPermalink 03/13/10 @ 09:02

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msg Comment from: Christian [Visitor]
Mr. Tibebe,

Good and genuine article. Anyone who believes that Issaias is not the problem but the solution doesn't need logiec but a good psychiatrist. It is like expecting a fox to be a good friend to the sheep. Only the sentence that this Neami was selling books of that murderer Negede Gobeze shows what kind of a banda he is. For me one Meles is equvalent to thousands of these shintams. Atleast Meles fight for what he belives in and has proved how a farsighted and insightful person he is. The day will come where streets are named after him and statues erected to praise this lion of Africa. He is the best thig that ever happened to Ethiopia for the last hundred years. He is our Alexander the great and one day we will call him Meles the great too.
PermalinkPermalink 03/13/10 @ 09:11

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msg Comment from: Ahmed [Visitor]
Hi,

This is not a response to the substance of the article above. I read the first paragraph and didn't get the point, except for some nonsense about this guy called Neamine. So, whoever wrote this article, please develop your thesis in the first paragraph and DO NOT leave it out to the last few.
PermalinkPermalink 03/13/10 @ 09:41

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msg Comment from: nyenati allison [Visitor]
I'm not an Ethiopia. However, as an Africa everything about the continent interests me, especially concerning the issue between Ethiopia and Eritria. Two questions: Eritria ia independent now isn't it? Let it flourish. Ethiopia has always been an important part of the Horn of African, I think it needs to be allowed to grow in that status. But it appears the bickering between peoples of thse two countries is now healthy. Be brothers and live in peace. Africa needs it badly at this jucture of our histroy
PermalinkPermalink 03/13/10 @ 09:54

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msg Comment from: seble-work [Visitor]
Thank you Ato Ferenji...

Isiass is an aging Hyena. He's cruel, angry and powerless. but he will bit you if you let him. Those of you who are in bed with him.. hoping that he will one day topple Ato.Zenawi. Then you are shortsighted and hateful animals. First of all, he has no power to do that. Isiass wants to see Ethiopia disintegrated so that he can easily loot. Go and bend down for him.. no problem we will kick you a$$. Isiass would have taken back Badme and killed every Ethiopian if he could. He has no power to take an inch from Ethiopia. He's dieing slowly.. I don't think he will survive more than 2 years.
PermalinkPermalink 03/13/10 @ 10:03

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msg Comment from: philly [Visitor]
ferenji whats up with yr name?
PermalinkPermalink 03/13/10 @ 10:18

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msg Comment from: me [Visitor]
part one, part two, are u writing some kind of fiction
PermalinkPermalink 03/13/10 @ 10:57

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msg Comment from: desalegn amare [Visitor]
Are you of the italian ferenji or the french ferenji, you sound like a mystery banda spying on ideas and emotions 0f ethiopian people. Get the emotion from a true Ethiopian.....
TO HELL WITH WOYANE AND ERITREA.
PermalinkPermalink 03/13/10 @ 11:48

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msg Comment from: girma Kebede [Visitor]
Mr Samuel you have told about the war during the late 1980s.It will be great if you can tell us about the background of Mr.Afeworki,because most people do not know about Mr.Afeworki,s background.I mean who were his parents,how did he grow up etc.Thanks
PermalinkPermalink 03/13/10 @ 11:49

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msg Comment from: Mekro [Visitor]
Samuel Fereng's articles are engaging. As he is knowledgeable about Etho-Eritrea events and personalities, he should also delve into the backgrounds of his subjects, namely, Isayas Afeworqi, Neamin Zeleke and Elias Kifle etc., and dissect their motives once and for all so that we would not be misled once more.

http://bit.ly/bcjLRS
PermalinkPermalink 03/13/10 @ 12:08

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msg Comment from: Alebel [Visitor]
What I gather from all debates is this.Some Ethiopians are unable to learn from past failur.The principle that IA and MZ are mutually exclisive entities,strategically bent to destroy the land of our fathers.There for the two must remain inseparable Ethiopias twin Enemies. The only difference between MZ and IA is one is destroying the country through direct means and the other is apset for not having direct acces to do the same.Some power thristy maniac among us stoop beyond their degnity,or do they ever have one,and began to work with IA.To me I see no difference between the group that is working with IA and the former EPDMits who are working with weyanee.Traitors and skimers come in many forms but they share one commen ideal thet is they live for now and here.So it matters little about their identity it can be MZ,IA Lidetu,Adissu legese or those who are working with Shabia.

DEATH to Every one who stands not to defend Ethiopia and its ideal!
Death to those who put their selfish ambition before National security.
Death to those who are mad because some body put them in jail so they must revenge and the only way they can do this is by licking IA'
s boot.
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msg Comment from: gemechu [Visitor]
Dear Mr. Ferenji.... The cyber space is completly hijacked by either weyanes or shabias..A natioanlist person like you will have hard time getting in to enka selamta with thses enemies of ethiopia...Just ignore them and make your contribution and alligiance with true genuine ethiopia..I just read the pathetic weyanes and shabia's response to your thoughtfull article. They don't have a brain to make a point but insult..that is typical of banda behavior..ignore them
PermalinkPermalink 03/13/10 @ 13:02

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msg Comment from: SEYUM [Visitor]
WE ETHIOPIAN ARE SO BOBAREDED BY THIS IDIOT SO CALLED FERENGE,MELES WATER BOY.ETHIOPIAN KNOW WHO IS KILLING THIER KIDS ON ADDIS ABEBA STREET AND GONDER ETC.DO NOT TELL US WHO WE NEED TO BE FRIEND TO FIGHT MELES ZENAWI NAROW MINDED ETHINC GRUOP,Meles zenawi fought and killed ethiopans with the hellp of ZID BARAI ,the no one enemy of ethiopia.if you think you can change ethiopian people minde you need to go back to WEYAN COLLEGE IN DEDEBT READ ABOUT YOUR MASTER MELES ZENAWI HISTORY AGAIN.
PermalinkPermalink 03/13/10 @ 13:05

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msg Comment from: Menelik III [Visitor]
The indepedence of Eritra from Ethiopia is entirely wrong. What is called Eritrea is the sovereign territory of Ethiopia. Africans and all balck people should condemn the secession of Eritrea. But at the same time, Ethiopians and Eritreans should bring Meles Zenawi and Issayas Afwerki to justice. We should oppose to Issayas and Meles. We do not need Issayas to overthrow Meles. Any movement develops it' own dynamics. We do not need Meles to overthrow Issayas.

Before the Italians occupied Northern tip of Ethiopia and called it Eritrea, the people lived together under one government. WE should continue the struggle of our country and people from 1880 on wards. We should reject the occupation of Eritrea by Italy. We should bring back Eritrea to Ethiopia. Ethiopia should have an outlet to Red Sea. But we should in general regain our territories: Eritrea and Djibouti. Foreign powers like USA and France should leave the area.
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msg Comment from: Rasputin [Visitor]
We have a cat fight on our hand hmm.
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msg Comment from: nappy [Visitor]
If mammo is raping you, your immediate concern should be to fight off mammo at any cost right away. It is crass stipidity to over analize that Bekele might do it to you too and refuse his attempt to remove mammo off of your behind. That is what this ferenji person is telling us. Woyane is destroying Ethiopia right now. If Shaabia tries to do that in the future, we will deal with it when it comes to that point. All struggles in the world were run from hostile territories. Mao, Kim, and etc fought from Russia, a country historically hostile to both China and Korea. Tplf itself staged its destruction from Sudan, a historically anti Ethiopian country. Today, tplf agents like this writer try to lecture us on how to run our fight against woyanes. Thanks, but no thanks. I would rather have questioned our strategy if it was liked and applauded by woyanes. Therefore, your arguement is contradicory with the history of all struggles of this nature, in way defeating itself. Besides, aside from using the situation as political football, the relationship between the peoples of Ethiopia and Eritrea needs to be handeled carefully. We will be living together in one form or another forever. The brutal treatment of Eritreans and Ethiopians by woyanes should bring the two peoples together for long term brotherly allignment. It already has in many aspects. This writer's yelling and shouting is an attempt to kill that.We reject it.
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msg Comment from: dasha [Visitor]
Ferenji:

Thank you for sharing with us many historical facts which reveal the the workings of Ethiopia's enemies.

As to Shabia and Isayas, there is no doubt that he is no 1 ethiopian enemy and he will remain so. What most people do not mention however is that Isayas is financed by others who want to see Ethiopia disintegrate. Hence, we will not get peace even if Eritrea gets oil and feeds its people.
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msg Comment from: tesfu T [Visitor]
one day you will figuer out the eritrean people secret. keep reserching.

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msg Comment from: tarik [Visitor]
you are wasting your time arguing nonesonse! moron!
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msg Comment from: EthioMAN [Visitor]
The more I read between Ferenji and Neamin, the more I learn of what transpired in the last days of the free nation of Ethiopia. Read between the lines Ethios, you will find facts of who did what to Ethiopia.

In the end turns out Mengistu was right about the CIA/EPLF plot against Ethiopia.

Tolla,

Find yourself, as you seem to have lost it. No Ethiopian in his right mind will call Eritrea a friend. Why the hell do you think the coup failed in 89? I will tell you again, Ethiopians have nothing in common with shabias ertra.

Justin,

Are you telling us that Tplf and Eplf defeated Derg without the help of CIA and the kehadi Derg Generals who were paid $$s? Who lost here is Ethiopia and Ethiopians. Not Derg, not Mengistu. What your Tplf did was destroy Ethiopia and serev our unity on a plate to IsayASS the mad dog.

Dave,
What do Ethiopians have to do with Shabias ertra? We must defend our territorial integrity and our right to Asab. Shabia's ertra must be eliminated.

U really get the finger the shabia dog,

You are exposed again. As your gallant forces run to the Sudan, your fake independance was based on intrigue, coup plots and paid derg generals and not courage. I always knew you did not have the guts to do it on your own. You had Tplf and CIA help you. Since you are a moron, you fail to see the connection of your mad dog dictators actions.

For all others,

IsayASS, the devious SOB, did a lot of damage to the Ethiopian union. He still does. Those who go to this egotistical mad man will only end up being burned like Meles. If people have not learned from the fall out of the IsayASS Meles love affair, will be doomed to repeat another all out masssacre. In simple words, IsayASS IS NOT a friend of any Ethiopian.

See facts for what they are, do not try to interprate events as you see them but take them as they happened. Derg was defeated, not Ethiopia. We will prevail, we will kill our enemies starting with Meles. Ethiopia will not be dismemebered or sold to the highest bidder. Not only will we regain our territorial integrity throughout ertra and Sudan, but we will regain our place in human history as one of the great nations to be the first to defeat the white supermasist colonizers on the battle field of Adwa. As we did so then, we shall now do the same to the espionage of the CIA, KGB and all the rest who conquer through economic enslavement.

Death to Tplf/Meles/Eplf/IsayASS and all those who side with these traitors!!!!

Long Live Ethiopia/ns UNITED!!!!
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msg Comment from: zi [Visitor]
all Ethiopians know who the despotic issaias is. he is for havoc, civil war, chaos, terrorism, and many more bad things.
PermalinkPermalink 03/13/10 @ 15:32

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msg Comment from: Elias Kifle, Publisher [Visitor]
1) Eritreans and Ethiopians will keep increasing their friendship and cooperation.

2) Ethiopians MUST at any cost be it their time, money and lives help Eritrean people and government to help EPPF and all opposition...again at any cost to us Ethiopians!

3) All the UN/Woyane sanctions against Eritrean must stop and I want all Ethiopians to come out and march with Eritreans at once, we must help them and Issayas government and to eventually unite against Woyane.

4) We must help Eritreans at any cost including give them all the $ we Ethiopians have in reversing the sanctions cuase they deserve our help since Issayas is helping Ethiopia unite and get rid of Woyane. There is not link between Isaayas and Woyane...just look who they support. Issayas is a FRIEND OF ETHIOPIA, I personally know this as he was nice to me while I was in Asmera and it's such a clean city and friendly women, I mean people...

Thank you-
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msg Comment from: Akakizeraf [Visitor]
KEmekedMEa BEFITE LEKEDEMW is ato Esayas's strategy.He wants to hit Meslese first before Melese get him.He is not going to war against the Ethiopian dictator just for the sake of his love for Ethiopia or Ethiopians.Ato Tebebe, do you really expecting us to stand aside while Esayas is attacking the dictator?We are going to get read of him by the language he understand and anyone can join us and yes even Esayas.
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msg Comment from: Wey Ene [Visitor]
Abet! Abet! Abet! bebado meda fukera
telba binchacha beand muketcha.
please get real life.

Thanks to Martin Luther King $ Abraham Lincon, without understanding their truthful hardship movement, the whole world is nothing

God bless USA!!!

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msg Comment from: FOREAL [Visitor]
FES YALEBET ZILAY AYCHILM ,a frkn fkn wolf in a lambs skin,keep your lies to yourself and stop comparing your BL WITH OTHERS.You are born to do so and it is so SAAAAD,that even your cousin DEVIL gets geluos of your deception
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msg Comment from: asteway [Visitor]
some ethiopians has a problem to forget what happend the past when eplf captuered over 100000 during the war for independence of eritrea,issayas has never orderd to kill ethiopians,he keep them like his brothers gave them everything on his power.I am a witenes of that because i was there.
go and ask ethiopians prisoners of war.he was the man of principel.
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msg Comment from: Asmara Zengada [Visitor]
Elias,
Asmara is a town, not a city, and the town has to be cleaned by conscripts whose salary is a ration of Zeganda..as for the nice women you mate, why wouldn't they be nice to an ethiopian, after all, most eritrean men are busy digging trench and the once that are not digging are crippled and have no social skill what so ever as they spent decades doing nothing but hate.
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msg Comment from: desta [Visitor]
I doubt whether those the so called shabias think logically.
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msg Comment from: Werner2010 [Visitor]
@ Elias Kifle,
that is hilarious!
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msg Comment from: Daniel [Visitor]
Menilik II,

Can you please tell me when and under what ruler Eritrea was part of Ethiopia (with the exception of the illegal annexation 1953-1991)? The history of the red sea coast is well documented and very little is up for dispute among historians. So please provide me a source or a link.

Fact is that modern day Eritrea was never part of modern day Ethiopia. Fact is that Ethiopia never had access to the sea throughout its history. Aksum, punt land, and kingdom of D’mt are not the same as modern day Ethiopia. They are ancient civilizations that are shared by Sudan, Eritrea, Ethiopia, and Djibouti Fact is that your king Menelik himself mad it clear with his words that modern day Eritrea was not his nation.

Ethio-chick

Hate to break it to you, but yes Eritreans did liberate not only Eritrea, but also put your uncle MZ in power. There was no CIA or paid Ethiopian generals, or TLPF help for that matter n liberating Eritrea. If this truth is hard for you to swallow, get some help for that. You calling everyone that tells you the truth shabia dog will not change history. As for as for our Army that ran to Sudan that you keep brining up, I just have one question or you: If the Eritrea army ran to Sudan, what caused the high Ethiopian casualties (80,000 plus and I am stating the conservative estimates)? Did they all die from natural causes? As dumb as you are I can see you believing that. I see that the list of groups you wish death too at the bottom of your posts keeps getting bigger, you better let go of all that bitterness that is eating you inside (especially your brain cells) before you include yourself in that list.
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msg Comment from: TJ [Visitor]
if Mr Neamin wants to sleep with Isayas Afewerk it is his right. mebtu naw.
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msg Comment from: JUGNAW [Visitor]
HO MEN! I NEVER SEE IN MY LIFE JINION LEADER LIKE COLONAL MENGESTU H/MARYAM HE IS A VERY SMART PERSON, WE LOVE COL M. H/MARYAM SO MACH, SIR WELL DONE! WE PROUD OF YOU YOU ARE A TURE SON OF ETHIOPIA GOD BLESS YOU!! LONG LIVE ETHIOPIA AND LONG LIVE THE TURE ETHIOPIANS!!!
PermalinkPermalink 03/13/10 @ 18:11

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msg Comment from: Tamrat Tamrat [Visitor]
For all morons who work with eplf this article is a wake up call. Eplf is number one enemy of EThiopia. Many know this fact but littel is done. What shall we do? 1) Send all eritreans wheather refugees or not from Ethiopia to where they come from or where they want to go.
2) Having enemy like Mengistu we hurt and damaged Ethiopia by letting eplf to do what they planed. Shall we repeat the same mistake by letting eplf do the same thing because Meless is doing bad? Look how eritreans stand up together regardless their hate for isayas. Inshort lets crush these cockrochs for once and for all first after we solve our internal problems. I dont support tplf but that doesnt mean i have to sit and sea while shabians hurting my country from insid and outside. When it comes to outsiders then i am with TPLF the current leadrs of Ethiopia. All Ethiopians where ever we are must gather and sit and discuss the danger shabiasn impossing on us. Lets contribut money to our soldires, to our country. For the last 20 years eplf enjoys our diferences. I dont say we dont have differences. We do have. but lets crush the cockroches first. All Ethipoians lets meet and contribute all what we can to mother Ethiopia. we do start that then shabians are history. these parasistes they always use some forigners or differences. Now lets show them we are one to crash them. We have seen many disaster in the last 20 years and the worrest was that the some socalled oppostions work hand in hand with isayas. Any 6 years old can understand what isayas is upto when he wages war on tplf who accepts shabian's occupation of Assab while he works hand in hand with the very ethiopian party which dneies the independence of shabia land. Ona has to be a complete idiot to work with isayas to help Ethiopians.
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msg Comment from: Asmara Zengada [Visitor]
Daneil,

It's sad that you have to admit the fact that a student you are claiming to have thought(woyanee) buried you in a very trench you dag Along badime...even worse they are waving ethiopian flag over your dead body. you must be in pain brother, which is why you keep coming here to relieve yourself. keep coming.
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msg Comment from: Sometimes [Visitor]
Hi all, I think the problem with us Ethiopians is so far we haven't managed to have one strong democratic organization created by the people to challenge all the enemies. Until then it does not matter what we do we may not have the result we want.
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msg Comment from: yoni [Visitor]


THE MAIN POINT HERE IS....

-Oppos undeniable alliance with Esayass/Shabiya

-ESAYASS is a sworn enemy of Ethiopia.

-Eritrea's existenze to be sustainable Ethiopia has to be destroyed...In Shabiya's mind at least...

-Esayass will always manage to find some Ethiopians to put a leash on.

-There are only two major players since the fall of Dergue...those two are EPRDF and Shabiya...the rest are very insignificant/irrelevant...

-Every coup and change of gov't in Ethiopia for the last two decades have Esayass's hand on it.

-Oppostions with Esayas guidance will vanish when he is out of the pic.


Here is what i stumblled on Awate

The Exiled Ethiopian and Eritrean Opposition

"...Also present in the demonstrations were members of the exiled Ethiopian opposition. Now here’s something worth saying: the Eritrean opposition is regularly accused of treason, of prostrating at the feet of Meles Zenawi, of being a tool of the Ethiopian government and other adjectives used from the department of hyperbole. But here’s something interesting: you could search the entire literature of the Eritrean opposition and not find a single document, a single quote, that praises the Ethiopian government in anything other than the politest of diplo-speech (“the fraternal people of Ethiopia, and the Sana'a Forum...") for hosting them. There is that ever present Eritrean pride which is self-conscious about the fact that it is only circumstances that compelled it to ask for help from unlikely places. On the other hand, in 2009, the Ethiopian opposition essentially adopted the EPLF slogan, in Amharic form (tigil eske dil: struggle until victory) and named Isaias Afwerki “Man of the Year” (thereby accomplishing a rare feat of redefining “man” and “year.”) It must be a continuation of the Ethiopian infatuation with strong men (Lebne-Dingl, Atse Tewodros, Atse Yohannes, Lij Iyasu, Ras Teferi, etc.) "

enjoy
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msg Comment from: zingero [Visitor]
Zingeros, Totas and Monkeys
Africa is full of a bunch of dictators
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msg Comment from: Daniel [Visitor]
Zengeda,

Your comment is to imply that the 1998-2000 war was between EPLF and TPLF only. Let me assure you that it was not. It was a nation of 80 million with the support of its handlers in the US up against a nation of 4 million. If you have any delusions about that you need to check the ethnicity of the vast majority of the Ethiopian casualties, they are not of the ethnicity of the ruling party in your country. I am not in pain at all, I (like most Eritreans) know what the heroic people of my nation gave their life for and I am great full to them. I only come here because every other article on this site is about Eritrea or Eritreans and at least some of the comments revolve around the Eritrean port of Assab even though the article is about anything but Assab.
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msg Comment from: Advice to Ferenji [Visitor]
Ato Ferenji,
Mr Neamin is winning by hijacking you with this stupid topic. You made your point about the past, but now you need to move on current vital issues.
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msg Comment from: EthioMAN [Visitor]
Danielzshabiadog,
There see? the dog in you changed your name, gave it a certain jenesequa/"Je ne sais quois"... as the loser you are. But enough about your punk ass.

This is about how after so long, you shabians, had rrecruited Tplf and certain Derg boys with the help of CIA. Without all these factors coming together, there will be no fake independance. That dear boy, is why the province comes up every now and then. Shabia's ertrea is the problem. Solution is liquidation of shabia.

You want to creat your own facts boy? That is a no can do. ertrea was/is/will be a province of Ethiopia. There ain't just no way around that. If you can not accept the fact that you got fakd by woyane double time, hey it is you who needs the help. I suggest you listen to your own advice.

If in doubt about your coward army, I suggest you go back a few years in time and look it up. Do your research. You will also find IsayASS begged the UN to stop the advancing Ethiopian lions. I also do suggest you ask other shabiadogs to read for you, if you can not read, how the shabiadoges in the trenches that extended for miles, were ALL killed by the Ethiopian lions. While you are at it, see if the sun never set, or the sing-a-poor of Africa is singing or crying, or if bademe is part of Ethiopia. I cant tell you how to read and understand facts as a moron like you will always be a moron.

Here is where you can learn the real figures that read...
"1998-2000: Ethiopia-Eritrea war (75,000)" From both sides.
http://www.scaruffi.com/politics/massacre.html

I, however do not believe the real numbers are known. Many died from bothe sides and I am NOT proud of these deaths as you seem to be.

Here is another...

http://www.ploughshares.ca/libraries/ACRText/ACR-EthErt.html
"2000 Fighting between Ethiopia and Eritrea renewed on May 12, with Ethiopia attacking across the Plains of Badame, the site of 1999 clashes. After 19 days of heavy fighting Ethiopian troops regained the disputed border territory and advanced miles inside Eritrea. By the end of May the Eritrean army appeared defeated. Brokered by the OAU, a ceasefire agreement was signed in Algiers on June 18. Tens of thousands of Ethiopian and Eritrean soldiers and likely thousands of civilians from both countries were reported killed during 2000, a high casualty total similar to1999. However, specific and independently confirmed numbers remain unavailable to date."


Comment from: Daniel [Visitor]
Ethio-chick

Hate to break it to you, but yes Eritreans did liberate not only Eritrea, but also put your uncle MZ in power. There was no CIA or paid Ethiopian generals, or TLPF help for that matter n liberating Eritrea. If this truth is hard for you to swallow, get some help for that. You calling everyone that tells you the truth shabia dog will not change history. As for as for our Army that ran to Sudan that you keep brining up, I just have one question or you: If the Eritrea army ran to Sudan, what caused the high Ethiopian casualties (80,000 plus and I am stating the conservative estimates)? Did they all die from natural causes? As dumb as you are I can see you believing that. I see that the list of groups you wish death too at the bottom of your posts keeps getting bigger, you better let go of all that bitterness that is eating you inside (especially your brain cells) before you include yourself in that list.
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msg Comment from: Tamrat Tamrat [Visitor]
First thing is first. Eritreans are our enemies. Send the one who reside in Ethiopia. Put in prison all Ethiopians who work with shabians or isayas. I dont understand why we Ethiolpians think that eritreans are our brothers and sisters. Look what they did and are doing to us, hear what they are saying. While we stay indifferent to what they are doing because we dont support our leadrs they are doing more damage than ever. All Ethiopians lets work with our government to put eplf to its place. those who are blind tplf who dont see the whorriblness of shabia opne your eyes and appologize to Ethioians to what you dit to Ethioia with eplf between 1993 and 1998. Lets stand hand in hand and destroy eplf. They are nothing if only they learn that that we know eritrea is enemy of Ethioipans. Many try to cheat themselves by pretending that only isayas is the problem maker for the two countries. No NO. Open your eyes eritreas are enemies of Ethiopia. You need a proof read, listen to any eritrean what he thinks of Ethiopia and his plan for us.
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msg Comment from: Casanova [Visitor]
Ayewa Ferenji: which Planet did you arrives from? Are you a woyanne mole pretending as concerned Ethiopian? Once again you are given us another, yet familiar, issue to argue and comment on till the cows come home, as they say.

Ato Ferenji, you are a confused Woyane sympathizer who has nothing positive to contribute to the struggle. You just act as a man of peace but conspire with the Tigre ruffians to divide and weaken the struggles & movements to annihilate the cancerous Tigre tumours from our country.

Mr Ferenji Please do us all a favour by going back to your old spacecraft where you have been living for the past 18+years & never come back to Planet earth.
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msg Comment from: Against all oops [Visitor]
oh poor daniel,

you forgot your slogan 'against all odds' which implies you have in the past beaten the Americans, the Russians and the world in general and you are now telling us you can't even beat their puppets..why not dani, I thought a N0 1 country in Africa is better organized than a gorilla group?
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msg Comment from: yoni [Visitor]


Daniel [Visitor]


Your daddy could not even release the real figures of casualties to his own ppl...

what u r claiming is what ur daddy informed you so you can sleep at night not thinking you have a country whose independent is pending.

Your ppl shed their blood based on A DREAM WRITTEN BY EGYPTIAN...
Eritrea owe its temporary existense to Egypt's interest...and OLF is the grand child of that scheme...
How sustainable is that???
What is independence when the entire nation is Insomnia waiting for Ethiopia to invade???

What is indendent when your borders are IMAGINARY???

You come here causee we are your interest...the slightest change in Ethiopia can take ur light outs in a second...that is why your daddy is hell bent to dismantle Ethiopia...plus the grass is greener in the south.
If u think this site is about Eritrea...What should we say about ERITV daily Amharic prograram all politics???

Post Esayass' Legacy, Eriterea wont be able to defend its port...it is enivitable that Ethiopia will bring the Assab issue to a fair settlement...it is in Eritrea's best interest. Esayass knows this ans that is why he is trying to change fate...but it will be in vain.
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msg Comment from: the independent [Visitor]
In the seven days since the two-year border war between two of the world's poorest countries reignited in earnest, Ethiopia's armed forces have made =>spectacular military advances inside western Eritrea.

On the western Mereb front, near the disputed area known as the Badme Triangle, miles of Eritrean trenches now lie abandoned. The arid, rocky, hilly landscape of the front lines is dominated by the long snaking trenches broken only by small bunkers and dug-outs.

Viewed from the air there is no obvious sign of massive casualties around the trenches. On the contrary, the indications are that the Ethiopians moved with great speed in a pincer movement, attacking the Eritreans from the west and the east and then coming around behind their lines to force the Eritrean soldiers from the trenches.
The speed of the Ethiopian invasion, recapturing disputed territory and at the same pushing deep into Eritrea proper, has astonished many analysts. "Eritrea's army is on the run," said Colonel Atakilti Berhe, one of Ethiopia's senior commanders on the border. "We came in the way they least expected and gave them no chance to reorganise and engage us again." On the road north from the Ethiopian staging post of Inda Selassie, Ethiokpian soldiers chanted, cheered and waved rifles and flags in the air as they passed through small villages on their way to the front. "We will win," shouted one young Ethiopian. In a striking contrast to the final days of the defeated Mengistu regime, the soldiers were happy to be photographed and filmed.

Peter Biles is a BBC world affairs correspondent
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/africa/eritrean-disaster-looms-as-a-million-flee-from-rapidly-advancing-ethiopian-forces-715914.html
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msg Comment from: Seleme [Visitor]


Daniel

. . .let your borders open and release the anklets and hand chains of all peaceloving people of your baldland country and we will see your 4 million. . .:))


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msg Comment from: Tefera [Visitor]
eritrea is isolated and under sanction, the regime's life is numbered. so if any thing isayas is going to kiss meles and american's ass to loosen the noose that is getting tight around his neck as we speak. it is wrong, unpatriotic and dumb to seek help from an enemy that is fighting for his own life. unless he promised to negotiat and give asab to ethiopia he shoudnt be rescued by ethiopians. we should let eritrea go down so ethiopia can stand higher and be in a better position to control the region as well as the relationship between the two nations. EPPF is nothing but a fake organization created by shabia to fool ethiopians while advancing eritreas interesst. if isayas has his way ONLF hits on the west, OLF in the south and EPPF in the north to create chaos and the eventual disintegration of ethiopia. this is any average eritrean and isayas dream.
PermalinkPermalink 03/14/10 @ 09:43

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msg Comment from: Daniel [Visitor]
The independent,

If you like articles, here read this one. It’s about the poor young Ethiopians that were used as human mine waves during the 98-2000 war. What is sad is that some of these were under aged kids. Is this what are proud of? Before you run of and try to convince yourself that the below isn’t true, ask yourself what this organization has to gain from reporting this? And if this tactic was not used by Ethiopia, how could it have sustained such high casualties in less than two years?

10 July 2000
"Everyone was dying. You saw the legs or hands of your friends lying in front of you. It was so horrifying, you couldn't make sense of it. It was hell! Boys lay on the ground for three or four days without being buried. We were fighting around their corpses."

- Rashid, an Ethiopian high school student who fought on the Badme front in 1999.
"It was very bad. They put all the 15 and 16 year olds in the front line while the army retreated. I was with 40 other kids. My friends were lying all over the place like stones. I was fighting for 24 hours. When I saw that only three of my friends were alive, I ran back."

- Mohammed, a 17 year old Ethiopian soldier forcibly recruited at age 15, describing his experience in battle in early 1999

Child soldiers should be demobilised immediately as part of peace moves between Ethiopia and Eritrea, the Coalition to Stop the Use of Child Soldiers urged today.

In a special appeal, the international NGO coalition appealed to the governments of Ethiopia and Eritrea to ensure that children take no further part in this armed conflict by ending the military recruitment of children, demobilising those already serving in their ranks and releasing into safety child prisoners of war.

"This war has been fought in the fashion of the First World War with children literally being used as cannon fodder," said Rory Mungoven, London-based coordinator of the Coalition.

"Young Ethiopian recruits tell harrowing stories of being marched over minefields to clear a path for the regular army. Some who returned alive were ill-treated or charged with desertion; others who tried to escape were shot."

Under Ethiopian law, there is no compulsory military service and the minimum age for recruitment into the armed forces is 18 years. Over the past two years, however, there have been credible reports that thousands of teenage boys have been forcibly recruited into the Ethiopian army, particularly during the build-up to the major offensive launched by Ethiopia in May 2000. The recruitment drive reportedly focused on Oromos and Somalis, ethnic groups that have traditionally been sources of political opposition to the government. The Ethiopian Government has in the past vehemently denied these claims.

In Eritrea, military service is obligatory for all Eritrean citizens between the age of 18 and 40. This lasts for 18 months, including six months of training and induction. It is widely acknowledged that children were used as soldiers by Eritrea during the war of independence against Ethiopia, though it is not clear whether this practice has continued in the most recent conflict. The lack of systematic birth registration makes it impossible to know whether the minimum age of recruitment is being respected in practice and the intensive fighting of recent months has required increased military mobilisation. In April 1999, Ethiopian officials circulated a list of Eritrean prisoners of war under 18 years of age, the youngest being 15.

"The current ceasefire presents an opportunity to demobilise child soldiers on both sides and ensure no more children are subjected to this abuse,'' Mr Mungoven said. ''As a signal of their commitment, both governments should sign and ratify the new Optional Protocol to the Convention on the Rights of the Child which prohibits the use of children under 18 as soldiers."


http://www.peace.ca/ethiopiaeritrea.htm
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msg Comment from: Daniel [Visitor]
Selema,

If they opened the borders a lot of people would leave the nation as they have every right to do and should while we are living under a dictatorship that does not respect their rights. If Ethiopia was under the same type of regime and Ethiopians were to be granted asylum in the west the same would happen in Ethiopia too or any other nation for that matter. What is your point? How many Ethiopins risk their lifes to enter Egypt and Israel every year? In 2009 alone 42,000 tried to enter Yemen (one of the porest Arab nation).
PermalinkPermalink 03/14/10 @ 10:02

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msg Comment from: Daniel [Visitor]
Against all oops [Visitor]
Our slogan against all odds refers to the incredible odds the people of Eritrea have to overcome to liberate themselves from the first US backed and then Russian backed Ethiopian occupation. Ethiopia at that time was the largest (over 500,000 troops) and best equipped (courtesy of their handlers) army in Africa. This defeat by the Ethiopian army came at the hands for the most part in the hands of a rebel group not one tenth of its size and a fraction of its arms. But I am not here to give you a history lesson, go ask your father and grandfathers how they were defeated and you can get a first hand account of it.

Yoni,

What I am claiming is what has been claimed by every organization that has published an opinion/estimate of the Eritrean casualties. Even the Ethiopian funded Eritrean “oppositions” that are based in Ethiopia have reported the same figures. If they could have reported a higher figure they would have done so in an effort to discredit the regime in Eritrea. If Ethiopia wanted to prove those figures wrong all they had to do was allow international news organizations that were reporting on this war into the battlefields once they (Ethiopia) had controlled over these areas. They didn’t for the simple fact that they could not contradict those figures.

We owe or independence to our heroic people and nobody else. Can you say the same after the Russians and Cubans saved you from Eritrea and later from Somalia in the late 1970s? Go back and read up on our history before you open your mouth about other peoples. People in Ethiopia are delusional about Egypt being their enemy and trying to conspire against Ethiopia. Wake up. Egypt is using the Nile however they want with no regards for Ethiopia, they don’t spend a minute worrying about you or your nation while you keep calling them your eternal enemies. The only enemy Ethiopia has is ignorance on the part of people like you. As for as Egypt, they are pimping you like a…you know what. They are prospering of your waters and your fertile lands and your “government is bending over backwards to please them. They are not your enemies, they are your pimp.Heard Sudan got a large peace of your fertile lands too and they didn’t even have to pay for it, it was given to them. You are giving away what is rightfully yours and dreaming about Assab which never was and never will be yours. Why don't you go bark about Djibouti since that was actually given away by your forefathers to the french for modern weapons that they used to colonize their fellow africans to the south. I forgot, you barking about Eritrea and Assab isn't based on facts but rather on fabricated history fuelled by hate and bitterness.

Take a look at how many articles are published about Eritrea on Ethiopian sites and compare that with how many articles about Ethiopia are published on Eritrean sites, then tell me who is whose interest. I see that you visit Awate.com, funny; they hardly ever have any Ethiopian related articles on that site. Don’t be too obsessed with Eritrean issues, it will drive you crazy, you are half way there already.

You keep talking about Assab, and ask you this again, when in your history with the exception of the illegal annexation (1953-1991) was Assab part of Ethiopia? Under what ruler? Since this would involve you actually researching something or opening a book I am sure I am asking this question in Vain. You are a landlocked nation and you always have been, that is the fact. Stop pimping yourself to the Arabs, Chinese, and Indians and invest in your people and your country instead of worrying about Assab or Eritrea.

Post IA Eritrea will be whatever we Eritreans make out of it. Even with a dictatorial regime stepping on our throats we have accomplished vast improvements in healthcare and the building of infrastructure, it isn’t IA that is keeping Eritrea in tact, it is its common everyday people. Don’t worry about Eritrea and worry abut Ogadenia and Oromia; you can’t even control your own nation but want to bark about another Nation.
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msg Comment from: Yohana [Visitor]
Mr.Ferenji
You are so boring, out of the context and try to make your self important!!
Moron!
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msg Comment from: Yohana [Visitor]
The indipendent!
How did you lose 150,000 soliders? What was the outcome of your futile attempt to capture ASSAB?????
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msg Comment from: Daniel [Visitor]
Ethio-girl,

You say you are not proud of the death of the 98-2000 war but yet you try to bring it up every chance you get. The thing is like I have told you so many times before you are too stupid to deceive anyone and even a child can see through your contradictions. You go on and on with your delirious and hate filled rants without the slightest clue of the realities on the ground. While we will never know with certainty how many people died during the last conflict the estimates are 70,000-120,000 on the Ethiopian sides and 19,000 on the Eritrean side. Given the tactics used by your master (and you can read the article I posted above for what those tactics are) I would say it is on the higher end than the lower. Regardless, it was disastrous for both sides and the only reason I brought this up is because of your insane claims in your original post. But common sense dictates that the side that has control of the battlefield can allow access to international observers to verify or refute claims made by either side. I understand that common sense is not in you, so I won’t hold it against you that I have to explain the most elementary concept to you.

Every time there is an article about Eritrea you have multiple comments to post, the mere mention of Eritrea drives you to paranoia and it is funny beyond words to see. You act like a bitter worn out and used up ex-wife that can’t get over her husband leaving her. Let it go girl, you will live longer and more peaceful without that bitterness. Don’t worry about my reading skills; based on your spelling I can see that you have the intelligence of dirt.

If Eritrea is and always will be a province of Ethiopia, why is your master MZ paying billions of dollars every year for port fees to Djibouti while when he can just use the one in the province of Eritrea for free? If Eritrea is a province of Ethiopia, the government of Ethiopia should be able to use the resources of its province, right? If it makes you feel better to think of Eritrea as a province, go for it. Everything else that you believe in is hallucinated anyways.
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msg Comment from: prince [Visitor]
yohana,

If a third of your country was occupied and you were on the run, how did you get time to kill and count 150000 soldiers:?:

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msg Comment from: Yohana [Visitor]
Prince,
That is well documented and reported fact!
As for me, I am an eye witness account of the massacare!
As for you, you can go back and make review!
You can even ask your leaders! But, they do not to disclose the fact!
I feel sorry for you!
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msg Comment from: alemino [Visitor]
1st of all I would like to thank mr Tibebe for his opinion.Mr neamin please do not confuse the innocent ethiopians.Mr Issayas could not be agood person to ethiopia even he is not good for Eritrean brothers.blive me the eggo of Issayas is to mantle Ethiopia in to pieces and becom asupper power in the region him self.
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msg Comment from: alemino [Visitor]
1st of all I would like to thank mr Tibebe for his opinion.Mr neamin please do not confuse the innocent ethiopians.Mr Issayas could not be agood person to ethiopia even he is not good for Eritrean brothers.blive me the eggo of Issayas is to mantle Ethiopia in to pieces and becom asupper power in the region him self.
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msg Comment from: MekeleBoy [Visitor]
Ethiopian patriots: Isaias is the enemy. Do NOT cooperate with that banda. Don't you know he stole Ethiopia's port Assab?

Patriotic Ethiopians should wait for elections. That is the wise way. For example, the 2045 elections will be completely free and the EPRDF will be prepared to cede power at that time to a responsible opposition for the rights of the Ethiopian peoples and nationalities and nations under the rule of law and democracy vis-a-vis unity through diversity. This talk of Tigrayan 6% ethnic minority dictatorship is an Isaias orchestrated campaingn designed to destroy Ethiopia. Democracy takes time you see. Just be patient. Don't take up arms now and again DO NOT COOPERATE with that banda Isaias.

Etiopia Tikdem!!
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msg Comment from: prince [Visitor]
yohana,

please enlighten me with the documents. give me the list of the dead solders and family contacts and ...if you can...cos you said you were there...I keep imagining you counting dead ethiopians while running towards Sudan:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D
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msg Comment from: Tazabe [Visitor]
You sound like a kid with 1st grade education trying to convince Ethiopians what is good and bad as if they don't know. I take that back less than a 1st grade student. your screen name is "boy" so you are saying what is expected of you.
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msg Comment from: Princess Yeshasheworke [Visitor]
Ethiopian Patriots: my imperial guard informed me that Assab is contaminated badly full of band of gangestar, polluted dumpester and it no longer port, it is really bad why in the world people give this name to someone who is proud off. Please the real Mekele Boy make sure guard your border real good and do not let anything pass through in and out.
Long live Ethiopia and its people.
Long live Amara and Oromo
God bless.
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msg Comment from: belay [Visitor]
While we will never know with certainty how many people died during the last conflict the estimates are 70,000-120,000 on the Ethiopian sides and 19,000 on the Eritrean side:)):))
...
Daniel and Yohana the number put out by shabia is a fake one to make you people feel better. we all remember how most eritreans were depressed at the end of the war, and these number gave them some comfort. but we didnt think you were gullible enough to believe it after 10 years:)).
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msg Comment from: EthioMAN [Visitor]
Danielshabiadog,

If you keep on insisting in fantasy, you go for it. Whatever cooks your goose. Stiil, that does not change the fact on the ground and that you are a moron.

In your haste you keep on trying to pass on to others your ways. Deceit. That is one thing shabians/you are good at. Like I have told you before, repeatedly, you have educated woyane well in how to. That you stupid jackass, is yours to keep. You all are abunch of liars.

Again, go do some reading if you know how to. I will reaffirm that the total dead is not verifiable and I, take no pleasure in it. Sayng that does not mean I will not mention to you the shintam soldiers of yours who RUN. There is just no way around that. That is not to say I do not hate the enemies of my nation either... nor will not kill them if the need arises. Shabia is Ethiopians enemy and that you little jackass, is the fact on the ground. Where is the contradiction in that? I do not enjoy causing pain to those that are directly affected by it, their relatives and friend. But... casualities and at times in high numbers, is the cold fact of war. War is war you moron, it kills. You said, "the side that has control of the battlefield can allow access to international observers..." Is that the contradiction you talk of ante wusha?

Read this again you dengairas.
"After 19 days of heavy fighting Ethiopian troops regained the disputed border territory and advanced miles inside Eritrea. By the end of May the Eritrean army appeared defeated."

That is what the international observers said...

I will support any form of campaign against the shabiadog isayASS to free the ertrans from tyrany, to destroy a terror sponsor and to take back our port, if necessary the whole province. Is that a contradiction ante buffoon?

I have in the past made it clear to you that I am a man. If you need proof, bring over your wife, sister or of age daughter if you have one, and you will see what a stud I am, you homo. But, if calling me a girl satisfies your ego, and makes your troubles go away... so be it.

As for using Djibouti, we will... untill Meles, your protector, is killed and we come get the other ass hole. Till then enjoy the cyber goose you cook.

Here are my mefekers, just for you biach!

Death to Shabia and the dogs that follow it.... like you!!!!


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msg Comment from: Yohana [Visitor]
Belay,

Eritrea has got good culture of keeping records of our martyrs and disclosing it to their families and the public. We have done so when we foiled the last Ethiopian invasion and evil agenda!
Your leaders started informing the families of the casualities and sopped it immediately. They also feel very uncomfortable and do not want to talk about it when asked on international medias.
You better ask your soliders who witnessed
that masaccare.
Eritreans give value for human being and we feel sad even when it means losing 1 person. Your leaders do not care about human life!!!
That is our culture and we won our indipendence single handedly by minimizing our casualities and sacrifice! We were out numbered by more than 20 times, we were out gunned, we fought not only against Ethiopian land grabbers. But, also Russians,Americans...?? Cubans.
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msg Comment from: Yohana [Visitor]
Prince,

You are behind time! Pls google and check the media outlets supported by pictures!
This time it was 150,000! If I add the number from Derg era it reaches nearly a million!
When it comes to running, we can make people run thousands of miles up to Zimbabwe!
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msg Comment from: yoni [Visitor]
Daniel

Writing too much does not make it facts...

You write too much of opinions with nothing to back it up...u r here to demoralize the emotional patriots in hope they will have bad deeling about their country and leadership...
It is an old tried and failed Shabiya style to recruit gorilla fighters...

You Shabiya idiots are good in tabloid news and nothing about building a nation...
Your own ego is falling on your own ass and you are hear feeding guilibles some garbage...
I wonder how far it will take you???
Didnt you learn from your own failed experiences???

You guys spend 2 decades building the spineless LFs and now you prostitute Eritean teenage to feed them and the new tenants (Al-Shishkobab) in Assmara gets 14 year olds for supper.

20 years as a small timer gangsta flexing his bonny ass on the neighbours, and fantasizin about the destruction of Ethiopia.

You cant fight fate bro...save your last breath...azz kissing time is coming!!!

until then you can re-configure the casuality figures in any way your daddy tells you to so you can sleep better at night.
PermalinkPermalink 03/14/10 @ 23:23

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msg Comment from: EthioMAN [Visitor]
Look here Danieldog, bawaw... waw. This is not a contest. If you still believe ertra won, run with it. If you were not such a moron you would think for yourself and not let IsayASS use you as his dipstick.

Think independant.... at least, try.

Ethiopians "Volunteered" no 15 or 16 year old will be allowed leave alone forced to go to battle, unlike your crazy national service. What you seem to overlook is the passion Ethiopians have when it comes to killing shabians. Trust me Danidog, you will see it again.

I also know live stock meaning, sheep and goats and such, were used to clear the minefields. The trenches were full of young erit bodies. It IS sad. But we will have to do this again as Ethiopia will be the owner of her right to the Red Sea. Dude, there is just no way around that. Read it again... Ethiopia will have the port if not the whole province and until then, all ertrawian in Ethiopia MUST be deported. Now, understand we are enemies at this point in time. In the future, if we decide to take the whole province, the picture will change. Until then... this is the future of the fake independence Tplf helped you attain. Soon as Meles is gone, independence goes up your ass, boy.

Death to Shabia/Woyane....
Ethiopia United 4Eva!!!!!

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msg Comment from: yoni [Visitor]
Daniel

This is what your wrote...

"What I am claiming is what has been claimed by every organization that has published an opinion/estimate of the Eritrean casualties."

Full of BS...

Since you daddy Esayass aint gonna let you see the real figures and you are a small timer to get the inside scoop on the UN claim report, YOU MAY WANNA ASK YOUR SELF why arent you re-claim disputed territores since we are sitting and shiiting on it.

I mean you had only 1/5 of our casuality (your claim), and WHY ARENT YOUR ASS BOUNCING BACK TO BADME???

Why settle for Imaginary Border???

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msg Comment from: yoni [Visitor]
THE MAIN POINT HERE IS....

-Oppos undeniable alliance with Esayass/Shabiya

-ESAYASS is a sworn enemy of Ethiopia.

-Eritrea's existenze to be sustainable Ethiopia has to be destroyed...In Shabiya's mind at least...

-Esayass will always manage to find some Ethiopians to put a leash on.

-There are only two major players since the fall of Dergue...those two are EPRDF and Shabiya...the rest are very insignificant/irrelevant...

-Every coup and change of gov't in Ethiopia for the last two decades have Esayass's hand on it.

-Oppostions with Esayas guidance will vanish when he is out of the pic.


ESAYASS IS A SWORN ENEMY OF ETHIOPIA


ESAYASS IS A SWORN ENEMY OF ETHIOPIA


ESAYASS IS A SWORN ENEMY OF ETHIOPIA


ESAYASS IS A SWORN ENEMY OF ETHIOPIA


ESAYASS IS A SWORN ENEMY OF ETHIOPIA


ESAYASS IS A SWORN ENEMY OF ETHIOPIA
PermalinkPermalink 03/14/10 @ 23:37

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msg Comment from: NEVER [Visitor]
What a beautiful face Mr. president Isaias.I hate to see this monkey face liar, puppet leader. I have no time to read all this staff.
PermalinkPermalink 03/15/10 @ 02:53

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msg Comment from: Tamrat Tamrat [Visitor]
Yoni!
The answer to your questions are:
1) You are asking the right quesitons to wrong people.
2) When CIA put mengistu's regime out of action, it had to use eplf regardless how many Ethiopians would wipped off the earth. Since then shabians took this winning Ethiopia thing very seriously. Do you know the Kurd people dance all over the world that they crashed Sadams military?
3) Do you know eritreans are so boisterous in the refugee camps. Many get feel down when they come to refugees camp because of many reasons. But the shabians are so proud and self content.
4) They know it is only the internaitonal low protects them from what ever Ethiopians want to do with or agaisnt Eritrea. They talk too much because the defeat plus the shame they face after independence is too painfull to over come. When forigner use you in the name of independence think twice. If eritrea gets the help it got during the war agaisnt communist mengistu by the west, they could have brag about how independence is sweet.
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msg Comment from: 100 % ETHIOPIA [Visitor]
I am commenting this out of the topic given by the FRENCH, SLAVE/DOG NAME CALLED-FRENJI. This is similar to the SLAVE/DOG NAME GIVEN BY ITALIAN TO SHABIAS/ERRYTERROR BRUNO, SALVATORY, ETC.

Therefore, Mr.DOG(FRENJI), next time come clean(get ETHIOPIAN NAME) before YOU write a comment on nazret.com

You pretend to be a FRENCH? FUNNY.
PermalinkPermalink 03/15/10 @ 06:38

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msg Comment from: sami1 [Visitor]
When there is fighting reason there is the gut and moral level to fight hard.
In the past Eritria fought hard to get rid of Mengistu and be independent... More than Tigray force "WOYANE" but now after seeing what they got in exchange Eritria will not fight and with a single war!
PermalinkPermalink 03/15/10 @ 06:45

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msg Comment from: Bekele Bachero [Visitor]
Mr. Tibebe is very clever to indirectly inform us who Mr. Neamin is. The archtiec of red terror is the idol of Mr. Neamin. After reading his previous articles, I now understand what type of agenda he advocates.

Mr. Tibebe uses logic,history, and facts to substantiate his arguement, where as Mr. Neamin's arguement is based on lies,hatred, I know more (but he knows less), half truth and most of all pure propoganda.
PermalinkPermalink 03/15/10 @ 07:30

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msg Comment from: Dr. Solomon [Visitor]
I think Ato Tibebe has made his point loud and clear. If you look at General Fanta Blay's vidio, what he says and the statment made by Shalqa Dawit are similar. Shalqa Dawit stated that he traveled to Europe, Eritrea and various parts of North America to meet with Shabia. Who paid for his trips and accomedations? this is an indication that someone has funded the operation. Most likely, the CIA. Ato Neamin's argument that the Generals intiated the coup has no evidence. He keep refering books written by the Generals. Ironcaly he accused Mengistu's tape and book as self serving and implies the Generals book as credible. In fact, I find the books by the Generals and their supporters as self serving. We don't know their intention, because they said so does not make it so. Mengisu, Meles, Issays, promised democracy and justice, what they brought is unjustified rules and brutality. Ato tibebe's argument is supported with valid evidence and to the point. Thank you ato Tibebe.
PermalinkPermalink 03/15/10 @ 08:50

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msg Comment from: Daniel [Visitor]
Ethio-girl,

If all Ethiopians volunteered and no 15 or 16 year olds were forced into the front lines where did that article come from? Do you think that the organization (Coalition to stop the use of child soldiers) is making these stories, names, ages, and counts up? Do you think that those kids are lying? What does this organization that is funded by organizations like the UN, the red cross and other charities have to gain from this? You cannot even see the evidence when it is starring you right in the face? Hallucination and denial are your trade marks.

You seem a little angrier than usual today girl, what is that time of the month for you?

Like I have told your cousins before, you grand father died trying to capture Assab, your Father died singing the same old song, you on the other hand are too much of a coward to follow your empty threats with actions but I can assure you if you had the balls to do more than just bark on this forum with a nickname you would be reunited with your forefathers. Enjoy being a cyber warrior and dreaming about Assab and Eritrea. You talking about killing the enemies of your country is laughable. You could not even kill an ant if your life depended on it and yet here you are talking hardcore.

Who are you trying to convince that you are a man, me or yourself. The fact that you feel the need to proof to me that you are a “man” lets me know what you really are. Don’t worry about what I think of you too much. But based on your posts I am pretty sure that if you are not a girl, you are an ankle grabbing “man”. Stay "happy" and don't be ashamed of what you are.
PermalinkPermalink 03/15/10 @ 09:34

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msg Comment from: Daniel [Visitor]
Yoni,

All talk about under aged girls in Eritrea is funny to me. Seems like you have Ethiopia confused with Eritrea.

Here is a sad article that will hopefully open your eyes:

“It is difficult to give an exact figure for the prevalence of child prostitution in Addis Ababa but observation reveals that the numbers are increasing at an alarming rate in the city. Interviewing children revealed that over 50% started engaging in prostitution below 16 years of age. The majority works more than six hours per day.”

Here is the link for the full report.

http://ovcs.blogspot.com/2006/10/child-prostitution-in-addis-ababa.html


Go ahead brag about Badme all you want…while you are at it say a prayer for the tens of thousand of your country people that died for the crazy ambition of your uncle MZ to capture Assab. The war was never about Badme and anyone with half a brain knows that. So what do you have to show for all of your dead? Not what you set out to get.

The “spineless” ONLF and OLF are still operating within Ethiopia, and even though they are outgunned and outnumbered they are still fighting for what they believe in and the freedom of their people. You calling them spineless while you are living in the west somewhere is funny as hell. There was a time the DERG said the same thing about the TPLF before the EPLF put them in power. The more things change, the more they stay the same.
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msg Comment from: Daniel [Visitor]
Tamrat Tamrat [Visitor]

Instead of making false claims about the west helping Eritrea, why don’t you show us one credible source to back that up? Just one! There was nobody helping Eritrea but Eritreans. Yes there was minimal help from sympathetic Arab nations when the ELF was first formed back in the 60’s. Once the EPLF who was a Christian dominated took over that all stopped.
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msg Comment from: belay [Visitor]
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Belay,

Eritreans give value for human being and we feel sad even when it means losing 1 person. ":))
you are good in making jokes:)) but if it makes you happy why not add another zero.:)) we dont give a shit and its your right to dream.
PermalinkPermalink 03/15/10 @ 10:46

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msg Comment from: sami1 [Visitor]
Woyane took power and how?
There were brave who stood up for freedom and fairness
Eritria helped
The people of Ethiopia wanted a change

But Tigray people clain it was them and them only and they won the war and they want to stay in power for ever and ever being unjust and not being fair to all Ethiopians!

The same way they got furstrated and rose to fight will happen and this time majority againest the minority who is abusing power!
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msg Comment from: Adal [Visitor]
Dear Daniel, with all your respect let me correct what you have mentioned about the formation of the EPLF out of ELF. Since its formation in the 1960's, the the ELf was mostly dominated by the Western Lowland muslims especialy by the Ben Amer elites, and the vision of the front for future Eritrea was closely linked to the Arabic World. Hence, there was a growing criticism and resentment from the front members representing the remaining 8 ethnic groups. At the begining, the intention was not to seperate from the front rather to correct and reform it from within. However, nothing was achieved after years of trial, and in 1972 the reformistis eventualy seperated themselves and created the Eritrean people's Liberation Movement (EPLM), Which eventually became the Eritrean People's Liberation Front (EPLF) or commonly known as Shabiya from the arabic word "shaab" which means the masses or the people at large.The truth is therefore T, from the day of its conception, the EPLF was not one ethnic group and one religion dominated movement, and to the contrary it was a movement that firmly belived Eritrea equally belongs to the 9 ethnic groups, and to the two major religions (Islam and Christianity), and it consistently held its neutrality both from the East and the West camps at that time as well as from the pressure and influence of the Arabic World, and this was the main recipe both for its broad acceptance by the masses (shaab) and survival during the struggle, and the inevitable victory at the end of the day. Peace!!
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msg Comment from: Daniel [Visitor]
Adal [Visitor]

Adal I did not meant to imply that it was a Christian movement by any means and I do understand that its position on religion was neutral as it understood that to succeed against overwhelming odds it needed to have unity above anything else. What I meant to imply was that the majority of its senior leadership were Christians and thus there was little to gain for Syria and Egypt to support the EPLF on the basis of religion.

Thanks for the correction though, good to see that there are some knowledgeable people on this forum.
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msg Comment from: Wond Lenatu [Visitor]
Mr Tibebe,

Thank you for exposing Neamin. I wonder though that his father had fought hard against shabia and now he is bowing down to isaias.

Next person to exposed should be Elias Kifle who is in isaias's payroll list.
PermalinkPermalink 03/15/10 @ 16:04

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msg Comment from: EMMUNAT [Visitor]
Mr. tebebe, your article does seem to be one sided. You made a bold asserstion that gave credit for shabia being the mastermind behind the 1989 coup in Addis Ababa. I wouldn't believe in a million years that shaybia has anything to do with the attempted coup. Infact historical record unequavocally oposses you argument. In My opinion mr. neamin has close to the truth historical account of what really happened in the darkest time of our history

the other assertion you made is equally remarkable and music to my ear is because to imply that EPLF helped in arm struggle to TPLF defeating the 2nd revolutionary army from Tigray state in shere indasselasie is not based on fact. Shabyia never once stood for the couse and sturggle of the tigray poeple, not once. Infact historically the reverse if EPLF claim is true. TPLF has undoutdly played a major role the liberation of the eritrean people. That my friend is undieable truth.

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msg Comment from: Justin [Visitor]
we Ethiopians should show the world that our country is in the process of development and democracy and we will never let a dictator like issayas to spoil what we have worked to achieve the fastest economy in Africa.Esayas is our historical enemy and those people like Genbot 7 are underground shabi agents.
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msg Comment from: yoni [Visitor]


Daniel

Ofcourse, everything is news to you.
Your daddy claims the same shiit to the world.

LFs and Alshikebobs go through training camps in Eritrea for several months...every weekened the get a piece of ur sisters asss...
Since Shabiya is financially constrained to give comfort and treat to LF idiots and Alshikobabs, the Eritrean teenages are free and convenieint...this kind of info is something u can did out from someone who have the insde scoop.
unless u r just dilusional shabiya who does post here cause u r told so, i suggest you go a little deeper and find out what your sisters are going through.

You still have not answered to us Ethiopians why your daddys Esayass isnt claiming Badme back??? All the disputed area for that matter??? Since your daddy claimed Eritrea is #1 in the continent and have enough arms to arm four countries, Dadme should be a walk in park for him...

Simple question....Simple answer.


Diverting issue anit gonna get u anywhere.


ESAYASS IS SWORN ENEMY OF ETHIOPIA
ESAYASS IS SWORN ENEMY OF ETHIOPIA
ESAYASS IS SWORN ENEMY OF ETHIOPIA
ESAYASS IS SWORN ENEMY OF ETHIOPIA
ESAYASS IS SWORN ENEMY OF ETHIOPIA

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msg Comment from: Daniel [Visitor]
Yoni,

Are you really that stupid or you just pretending to be?

When did I say something was new to me? You claimed that under aged Eritrean girls are abused back home by the LF and I showed you evidence of the under aged prostitutions that are roaming in your capital city. It’s funny how you had nothing to say to that. The difference is that you are talking out of your ass as it is part of your culture. I have presented to you and anyone else that can read the realities of a lot of young girls in your country, not too mention what is going on in middle east. Not saying that because I am happy about this, its actually sad as hell, but the fact that you want to talk about Eritrea when shit like that is going in your country more so than any other African nation is insane. The funny thing is that you don’t even realize that these LFs are operating out of their home bases in Ethiopia. There are 150,000 “working girls” in Addis alone most of them charging as little as $1, they don’t have to look at my sisters when your sisters are readily available for less than the price of a coffee. 150,000!! That’s a medium sized city in case you need a measuring reference. Here is another source in case you didn’t understand the first one:

http://www.diretube.com/articles/read-prostitution-plagues-ethiopias-capital-addis-ababa_318.html


What else do you expect from a place where everything and everyone is for sale to the highest bidder (in this case the bidding isn’t high because of the HUGE supply courtesy of yours sisters):

Land, water, babies, woman, pride and diginity? You would even sell your own mother if it comes down to it. You are not fooling anyone, we know the likes of you when you were hiding form the DERG in Eritrea before the Eritrean people showed you how to stand on your own two.

I have already answered your question but I guess you need someone to hold your hand and spoon feed you what I wrote. Can’t help you with that slow Ed, find someone with the comprehension skills of a 5th grader, I am sure they have better comprehension

IA is not my daddy and I like most Eritreans do not support him. But the likes of you who worship MZ can count IA as your uncle since he is MZ big brother and brought him up and put him in power. So please do not ask me to defend or explain the actions and words of your uncle. Low lives like you would be the first ones to kiss his hands and call him uncle if you saw him.
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msg Comment from: EthioMAN [Visitor]
Danyboyshabiadog,

What a pussy you are. Someone calles you on your fabrications and there you go kissing ass and falling appart like a little wet pus...sy! Bekt shabia.

Comment from: Daniel [Visitor]
...Yes there was minimal help from sympathetic Arab nations when the ELF was first formed back in the 60’s. Once the EPLF who was a Christian dominated took over that all stopped.

Contradictions? Yap, contradition...

Comment from: Daniel [Visitor]
Adal [Visitor]
Adal I did not meant to imply that it was a Christian movement by any means and I do understand that its position on religion was neutral as it understood that to succeed against overwhelming odds it needed to have unity above anything else. What I meant to imply was that the majority of its senior leadership were Christians and thus there was little to gain for Syria and Egypt to support the EPLF on the basis of religion.

Thanks for the correction though, good to see that there are some knowledgeable people on this forum.
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msg Comment from: Hannibal Minilik [Visitor]
Tibebe, you are fucked up, man. The self-serving and confused Neamin Zeleke effectively derailed you off the rails. You should have forgotten this scum bag, and stick to the issue that a rapprochement with Esayas is not in the best interest of Ethiopia.
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msg Comment from: Daniel [Visitor]
EMMUNAT [Visitor]

When you wake up from your dream tell me what major battles the TPLF won on their own?

Any success the TPLF had came after the ELPF destroyed one third of the Ethiopian army stationed in Eritrea and Tigray at the battle of Afabet. More importantly it was an EPLF commando unit that tool out the DERG air force base in Asmara in 1986. After this the Russian stopped their surveillance operations allowing the EPLF and TPLF more room and space to conduct their operations.

Let’s not forget that it was the EPLF artillery and tank units that escorted the TPLF to Addis. If you need any proof of that you can start with this link from an independent source. It details all of the turning points of that conflict.

http://www.country-data.com/cgi-bin/query/r-4543.html

Why don’t you show me one independent credible source that does not credit the EPLF with helping the TPLF get in power?

You don’t have to discount the sacrifices in human lives that Eritreans gave not only to liberate their nation, but also the rest of Ethiopia form the DERG. Being proud of your history does not mean you have to step on the sacrifices of the very same people that called you brother and sister when your own country people were calling you “kumal” (lice), the people that educated you, gave you medical care, and sheltered you in the schools and hospital that was built underground to keep the DERG air force from bombing them. The very same hospital that saved countless tigray lives. Be proud of your history but don’t mask and hide the truth when doing so means spitting in the faces of all of the fallen Eritrean heroes and their families that paid the ultimate price just to be free.
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msg Comment from: Daniel [Visitor]
Ethio-chick

Fabricating? What did I fabricate exactly? Did you even understand what I or the person I was responding to wrote?

Its not contradiction, you are just too stupid to understand, seriously, you are one of the dumbest people I have argued with. Take my discussion with you as learning lessons and make the most out of them.

The problem arguing with you is that I have to keep everything very simple basic so that you don’t get confused. Maybe you and Yoni need to get together so you can form one functioning brain. Do yourself a favor and get off those drugs and go back to school.

You can’t even use the word “pussy” in a correct context to insult someone. Sad as hell when I have to correct you on insulting me! Seriously, we both know you have one so what’s the problem. You can’t hold a discussion or present points and facts to save your life, can’t insult someone, can’t spell or comprehend basic English, what a waste of space and air your existence is.

I think I am done laughing at you girl, you gave me a lot of jokes. Pathetic inbred (feel free to use a dictionary to understand what I wrote)




Comment from: EthioMAN [Visitor]
Danyboyshabiadog,

What a pussy you are. Someone calles you on your fabrications and there you go kissing ass and falling appart like a little wet pus...sy! Bekt shabia.

Comment from: Daniel [Visitor]
...Yes there was minimal help from sympathetic Arab nations when the ELF was first formed back in the 60’s. Once the EPLF who was a Christian dominated took over that all stopped.

Contradictions? Yap, contradition...

Comment from: Daniel [Visitor]
Adal [Visitor]
Adal I did not meant to imply that it was a Christian movement by any means and I do understand that its position on religion was neutral as it understood that to succeed against overwhelming odds it needed to have unity above anything else. What I meant to imply was that the majority of its senior leadership were Christians and thus there was little to gain for Syria and Egypt to support the EPLF on the basis of religion.

Thanks for the correction though, good to see that there are some knowledgeable people on this forum.

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msg Comment from: EthioMAN [Visitor]
LOL... dannyboy, you are funny. You are a true shabia mouth piece. It is as you said at your first post. ELF was a muslim movement. Then came the mad dog IsayASS. I am aware that on his rise to power, he eliminated those who stood in his way. I am sure ELF/and its leadership were one of those eliminated. I am also aware, ELF does not like you fag boys, the EPLF.

We also know you punks are arab mercinaries. Look at those who still give you money to balance your budget.

Look here boy, it is obvious those who stand up to dictators are not well received. This seems to be your case here. Asside the fact that we are enemies, we have nothing in common. Stop acting like IsayASS and if you have nothing to say better than your last post, just shut the FK up. Like I said, discuss politics... do away with your homo urges.

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msg Comment from: EthioMAN [Visitor]
Dannydog,

One more thing...

This here, is not about you, me or other shabias/woyanes. Nor is it about anything other than current political events. If you get agitated when ertra is thrown in the mix here, blame no one but IsayASS as he has involved his dirt in every neighbors business.

So, Dannyboy, this is a political forum that is not personal. Zemblesh poletika awri. You must also have a tiny bit of decency and above all... must control your homo urges... okay?
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msg Comment from: yoni [Visitor]
Daniel

You called a person stupid and you throw SELF BROADCAST YOUTUBE VIDEO as a reference???

You are pathetic idiot!!!

You are not worth it.

Just count your days bro...

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ESAYASS IS SWORN ENEMY OF ETHIOPIA
ESAYASS IS SWORN ENEMY OF ETHIOPIA
ESAYASS IS SWORN ENEMY OF ETHIOPIA
ESAYASS IS SWORN ENEMY OF ETHIOPIA
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